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novusCatholic
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Men wearing short shorts…There should be a commandment against it. At the very least, it should be addressed in the Catechism.
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Maryann_C
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AMEN , AMEN to Mullen… that just about says it all , I totally agree…!
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MissRose73
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I don’t believe in putting on a show with my clothing choices unless I am going to a concert or a party.
For Mass, I do believe in dressing modestly, and wearing clothes that are neat & clean. I also make sure the clothes are not tight and revealing. I just wished more people would give Mass the respect it deserves by at least not wearing tight items, revealing items, very short items like short shorts and/or shirts, and tee shirts with logos - content doesn’t matter, fine for outside of Mass not at it in my opinion.
For Mass, I do believe in dressing modestly, and wearing clothes that are neat & clean. I also make sure the clothes are not tight and revealing. I just wished more people would give Mass the respect it deserves by at least not wearing tight items, revealing items, very short items like short shorts and/or shirts, and tee shirts with logos - content doesn’t matter, fine for outside of Mass not at it in my opinion.
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Gift_from_God
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Why do people always go after women and modesty? What about men and dirty minds?
I have a Catholic friends who came into my dorm room months ago in her t-shirt underwear, and I didn’t instantly lust for her because I have control over my mind
People have this weird habit of just assuming that modesty means more clothes covering you up
I have a Catholic friends who came into my dorm room months ago in her t-shirt underwear, and I didn’t instantly lust for her because I have control over my mind
People have this weird habit of just assuming that modesty means more clothes covering you up
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Perhaps everyone is not as saintly.
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MissRose73
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I think modesty should be equally enforced for both men and women. Not sure why so much on women because we have a few different body parts that men don’t have & vice versa.
I remember seeing a movie where the girls who were Irish Catholics complained after Mass about the priest’s emphasis in his homily on women remaining pure and stuff. They felt it wasn’t fair for females to singled out, and the movie was set in the late 1950’s.
I remember seeing a movie where the girls who were Irish Catholics complained after Mass about the priest’s emphasis in his homily on women remaining pure and stuff. They felt it wasn’t fair for females to singled out, and the movie was set in the late 1950’s.
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novusCatholic
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Seriously? It’s weird to think that clothing relates to modesty?
I suppose that if common sense or spiritual teachings are not enough, then there is always the dictionary.
Attitude has a lot to do with it also. A gal walking into a guy’s dorm room in her underwear???
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novusCatholic
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I agree with you that men and women should be treated with the same expectations.
Somehow, it just isn’t the same though. Put a guy into a skimpy outfit and he just looks silly. Put a gal into a skimpy outfit and…
Just the way God made our bodies and brains, I guess.
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Maryann_C
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Dear Gift from God,this young lady ( if I may be so charitable) may call her self Catholic but I am sure you know she is not living with the Catholic Christian morals. To walk around like that into a young man’s room is to be an instrument of Satan in the attempt to make another soul fall. I would pray for her and pray that your armour remains strong.
So this gets to the point of reasons why people should dress modestly and respectfully - I would say outside of Church as well as in but definitely at mass- any mass.
It is so that we do not cause another one of our brothers and sisters to fall by being distracted or led into adultery through their eyes! YES that is what Jesus said that if any man even looks at another woman with lust in his eyes he has committed adultery.
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Gift_from_God
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I don’t think you can judge someone’s morality based on one action
I’m not really worried about that “instrument of Satan” stuff. Besides, she was wearing a t-shirt, so it’s not like she was naked.
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TheMc
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I always thought that is how you judge someone’s morality.
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Gift_from_God
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We don’t get to judge someone’s morality. Secondly, since we all sin, you can’t judge someone based on one action
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Sailor_Kenshin
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Where did you come by those ideas?
We don’t get to judge the state of anyone’s SOUL. We do indeed get to judge someone’s morality, and you not only can but should judge based on action.
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Young_Thinker
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Today at Mass, an altar girl of about 10 or 11 was wearing very short trousers underneath her cassock, which had a long slit in the front. Even though she was so young, it was still distracting and, might I say, a tad irreverent.
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sojo
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If you were distracted by a 10 or 11 year old girl’s legs you really need to seek some counseling. Sorry, but that’s really wrong. She’s a child. A little girl. And someone’s daughter.
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Young_Thinker
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No, I think that you misunderstand (and there is certainly no reason for the patronage). I just happened to notice because I sat near the front of the church. It certainly was not as if I was fixated on it or improperly aroused, so maybe “distracting” is too strong of a word for this situation. But I am sure that other people noticed, too. To me, despite someone’s age, it still seems wrong to be dressed that way and serve in such a capacity.
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novusCatholic
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I agree with you. I realize that she’s just a kid, but kids have to be taught, right? If she isn’t taught, then eventually she could become a grown woman who does not have an appropriate sense of modesty in how she dresses.
Maybe even walk into a guy’s dorm room in her underwear. Isnt’ that right Gift from God?
By the way… Young Thinker + Old Fashioned Catholic. I like the combination!
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Young_Thinker
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Now, I do not know if I would go that far! But thank you for the compliment.I agree with you. I realize that she’s just a kid, but kids have to be taught, right? If she isn’t taught, then eventually she could become a grown woman who does not have an appropriate sense of modesty in how she dresses.
Maybe even walk into a guy’s dorm room in her underwear. Isnt’ that right Gift from God?
By the way… Young Thinker + Old Fashioned Catholic. I like the combination!
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Maryann_C
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I know a few have already mentioned that this is not quite how Jesus meant “Judge not lest you be judged” Mat 7, but since this was in answer to my comment on the young lady who entered the student’s dorm I feel compelled to reply.
Notice how , this quote is never taken to its full context…Jesus goes on to say that once a person has taken the plank out of their own eye then they will be "able to see clearly the speck " in their neighbour’s eye. In other words, those of the body of Christ who have gone to confession and attempt to walked in holiness as best they can ,ARE in a position to see the faults that will lead others into sin and to loose their soul- one could say that the priest is especially in such a position since they are called to tend the flock.
It is an act of charity (work of mercy) to correct such a person or at least pray for them to be moved by the Holy Spirit to be able to see their own fault- this is not judgementalisim as a act of looking down in a ‘holier than thou’ attitude. This is done out of the love for the Saviour who suffered so very much and died for us to be redeemed ,purely out of love for us.
By correcting someone who is in error we hopefully stop them from walking into hell , we therefore participate in the work of Jesus, which is what we - the body of Christ- have ALL been commissioned to do. Honestly, I believe this is the crux of this whole debate on modesty.
Let me ask this also ; Why did Adam and Eve realize they were naked and feel shame? It was not because their nakedness was bad necessarily read Gen 3 especially v 7-13 and then see how God, still in His mercy, made them nicer clothes than their fig leaves v 23, but they still had to suffer the consequence of their disobedience of God- being banished from His presence to a life of hardship and toil.
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MissRose73
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I understand that the poster was distracted by her improper dress and serving in the capacity she was serving.
I would have thought the church set down a dress code for their servers. I would say something like this would be fine:
Young ladies - Long pants/trousers or dresses or skirts that you can tell even under a semi sheer robe are knee length or further. 2 of my female cousins who did some altar serving as teens, always followed that as their mother always insisted on dresses or skirts with tasteful shirts regardless if they served or not.
Young men - Khaki or dress Pants/Trousers preferrable. Jeans are ok if they are dark colored and not worn/ripped if they own nothing else.
For both genders: dressy sandals ok for summer. Flip flop or casual styles no. Trainers/Tennis shoes if they have foot issues otherwise not appropriate. Comfortable yet appropriate casual or dressy footwear should be worn based on season. Short sleeved shirts that are appropriate and tasteful for Mass too. No shorts, but I would give a pass if they are knee length or just below.
My 11 (nearly 12) year old nephew chose to walk in the procession with my mother as one lector carries the lectionary, one person carries a cross, 2 people each carry a candle on a wood thing and they all accompany the priest. They also do the same thing at the same thing at the end of Mass. Usually those who carry the cross and candles are doing other ministries at the Mass, or volunteers are requested. He wore a nice button down shirt with nice shoes and shorts that went just below his knees as it was very hot weather yesterday. I would say he was dressed a lot better for Mass compared to many young people these days.
When I have served as a minister (and sometimes I am asked at the last minute), I make sure my clothes are tasteful and modest, and my shoes are comfortable yet appropriate no matter if I am scheduled to serve or ask to serve when arriving at Mass.
I would have thought the church set down a dress code for their servers. I would say something like this would be fine:
Young ladies - Long pants/trousers or dresses or skirts that you can tell even under a semi sheer robe are knee length or further. 2 of my female cousins who did some altar serving as teens, always followed that as their mother always insisted on dresses or skirts with tasteful shirts regardless if they served or not.
Young men - Khaki or dress Pants/Trousers preferrable. Jeans are ok if they are dark colored and not worn/ripped if they own nothing else.
For both genders: dressy sandals ok for summer. Flip flop or casual styles no. Trainers/Tennis shoes if they have foot issues otherwise not appropriate. Comfortable yet appropriate casual or dressy footwear should be worn based on season. Short sleeved shirts that are appropriate and tasteful for Mass too. No shorts, but I would give a pass if they are knee length or just below.
My 11 (nearly 12) year old nephew chose to walk in the procession with my mother as one lector carries the lectionary, one person carries a cross, 2 people each carry a candle on a wood thing and they all accompany the priest. They also do the same thing at the same thing at the end of Mass. Usually those who carry the cross and candles are doing other ministries at the Mass, or volunteers are requested. He wore a nice button down shirt with nice shoes and shorts that went just below his knees as it was very hot weather yesterday. I would say he was dressed a lot better for Mass compared to many young people these days.
When I have served as a minister (and sometimes I am asked at the last minute), I make sure my clothes are tasteful and modest, and my shoes are comfortable yet appropriate no matter if I am scheduled to serve or ask to serve when arriving at Mass.
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