Pushed to the SSPX

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bryan123459 said:
I hope these thoughts can help you if you are asked to receive Communion in the hand (for example, during flu season).
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How convenient we have the flu now to rationalize a sacrilege.

If a study came out to show pot relieving flu symptoms, you’d probably find a lot of folks begging the Vatican to distribute pot in Church too.
 
spn82756 said:
When I receive the Eucharist at Mass…my AMEN after “The Body of Christ” is to heard by all. When in Mass I pray so that I can be heard…when people are barely whispering. When I recite the Creed…it is with a happy and clear voice. When hymns are sung…I sing to be heard.
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And you are trying to impress whom exactly? Or are you just trying to prove yourself better than everyone else? Is this what holiness is to you?
 
ProVobis said:
And you are trying to impress whom exactly?
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Question is who is really trying to impress who . There has been nothing but contempt for those that participate in the new Mass. Have you checked out their website? See what they have to say about those that don’t see it their way. You sound like a Pharisee. SHOW.

My faith, worship, and reverence for God was challenged by a previous post because I don’t do things as you do. Whoa to YOU buddy!
 
Lamentabili said:
To put yourself in their shoes, imagine the Bishop told you to stop saying your rosary. You respect the Bishop as the Bishop, but you refuse to obey because the rosary is a good thing that assists you in your faith and aids your salvation and it is a long standing tradition. He has no right to forbid you from doing good. The Bishop then suspends you from receiving the sacraments because you will not comply with his order. However, you continue to receive the sacraments because you see the suspension as invalid (the Bishop cannot suspend you for praying the rosary).
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I would have a conversation with the Bishop about my feelings, but I certainly would not disobey him. I would want to understand his reasoning, and I would be upset, of course - but I would not disobey him, because I have never heard of any Saint who disobeyed his or her Bishop.

St. Teresa of Avila was homeless and lived out on the streets for five years because the Bishop refused to allow her to build a dormitory for her convent. She said it was a mercy from God, since it was during that five years that the Protestants attacked Spain - she said, God, by means of the Bishop, saved her from the Protestants, since there was nothing for them to burn down; nothing for them to steal.

If she could obey that and find God’s grace in it, then I can endure anything a modern-day Bishop might require of me.
Now you will probably disagree the Society’s situation fits this analogy, but the point is, you can then at least understand their mindset by putting yourself in their shoes. They do not act out of malice but out of conscience, even if you disagree with them.
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No, the situation is completely clear to me - and I still say that they would find grace in obedience. God does amazing things for us, when we obey our Bishops, most especially when it is difficult for us to do so.
 
jmcrae said:
What is the name of this church? :confused:
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It’s a church up in Arlington Heights, Illinois. It’s been over 30 years so give me to some time to track it down. I’m curious as to the records myself.
 
ibkc said:
The Church developed its standards of behavior while in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament for a reason. I will follow those teachings rather than presume that Jesus thinks it’s cool that I’m too lazy to genuflect or bow at appropriate times.
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Excellent. It is those standards that help keep us on on even keel.
 
ProVobis said:
How convenient we have the flu now to rationalize a sacrilege.
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What sacrilege? I admit I do not like the idea of a bishop overriding the Vatican’s orders to allow communion on the tongue, but I do not think any sacrilege is involved.
 
ibkc said:
I will follow those teachings rather than presume that Jesus thinks it’s cool that I’m too lazy to genuflect or bow at appropriate times.
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Whose teachings? I follow the teachings of the Catholic Church…guided by the Supreme Pontiff. Not by people who think they’re better than the pope. Oh…excuse me…SSPX folks don’t really think that way…do they. Check out their website. For some here…I wonder if Jesus could fit the bill.
 
spn82756 said:
Whose teachings? I follow the teachings of the Catholic Church…guided by the Supreme Pontiff. Not by people who think they’re better than the pope. Oh…excuse me…SSPX folks don’t really think that way…do they. Check out their website. For some here…I wonder if Jesus could fit the bill.
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I pray for the SSPX rather than think hateful thoughts about them. Without the SSPX, the good priests who staff my own parish, the priests of the FSSP, wouldn’t exist. And when someone comes on here and derides the most basic demonstrations of respect to the Blessed Sacrament, I will speak up. Disrespect and presumption are not attributes of traditional Christianity.
 
ibkc said:
I pray for the SSPX rather than think hateful thoughts about them. Without the SSPX, the good priests who staff my own parish, the priests of the FSSP, wouldn’t exist. And when someone comes on here and derides the most basic demonstrations of respect to the Blessed Sacrament, I will speak up. Disrespect and presumption are not attributes of traditional Christianity.
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And who is showing disrespect?
 
ibkc said:
I pray for the SSPX rather than think hateful thoughts about them. Without the SSPX, the good priests who staff my own parish, the priests of the FSSP, wouldn’t exist. And when someone comes on here and derides the most basic demonstrations of respect to the Blessed Sacrament, I will speak up. Disrespect and presumption are not attributes of traditional Christianity.
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And when I tried to show my respect…I was asked who I was trying to impress. Talk about the these pharisees in sheep’s clothing calling the kettle black???
 
giuseppeTO said:
The tabernacle was on a credence table in line with the left side isle of the church. All who came up the isle turned their backs to the tabernacle and reverenced the table. The tabernacle got no more attention than a bowl of fruit. They probably had no idea why they were reverencing the empty table … the legacy, in my opinion, of decades of neglect of the Real Presence and revised rubrics and practices that decreases our awareness of Christ in His physical presence, body, blood, soul, and divinity in the tabernacle.
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I’m a little confused here. What table are you talking about, the altar? If it’s the altar, it must be venerated.

The tabernacle should not be on a credence table. I must be on something that is fixed so that it cannot fall, such as a pedestal, if not an actual altar. It can be on the side. That is allowed. It has to be visible, but it does not have to be center. Are you referring to an actual credence table or to a pedestal of some form, that may look like a table?

In our chapel, the tabernacle is on the left corner on a tall table. I mean tall. You have to stand to open the tabernacle. If you sit you can’t reach it. But the table is very sturdy. It has a solid pedestal for a base. The tabernacle is scewed on to that. You would have to carry the entire thing away. You can’t just lift the tabernacle. That’s why I’m asking what are these tables?

We have it on the side, because the chapel is tiny. It does not have enough depth to have a tabernacle behind the altar and allow the priest back there too. So the tabernacle is on the one side and the presider’s chair on the other corner. The superior’s chair is in front of the altar so that it can be turned to face the brothers when needed.

But I’m curious to what you mean by tables, is it the actual altar where the sacrifice is celebrated? That’s not just any table, if that’s what you mean.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
spn82756 said:
I guess you mean that had you been around 2000 years ago…you would have genuflected every time that you crossed paths with our Lord. I have a hard time believing that the 12 apostles did. I have a hard time believing that Peter did. They were his closest friends. Oh…BTW…Mary would have spent her entire life on her knees.

Jesus knows what is in our hearts.
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Typical
 
ibkc said:
That’s all very good, Brother, but did these mystics use the Buddy Jesus excuse to indulge in irreverence during the holy sacrifice of the mass? Because you know, personal devotion is one thing and public worship is quite another. If they did and if that’s what Catholicism actually teaches, perhaps I converted to the wrong faith.
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The word mystic speaks for itself.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
****ibkc…I asked a question. Are Protestants going to hell? You would certainly seem to suggest yes.
 
giuseppeTO said:
Thanks for your opinion on this. However, most traditional priests (all who offer Mass in the EF) will disagree with you along with all faithful who assist exclusively in the EF. I can’t speak for those who assist exclusively in the OF - however, I would hope they are consistent in both rites.
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The rubrics in the GIRM are very specific. You genuflect when you arrive at the sanctuary, at the consecration, when you open the tabernacle, when you leave.

Genuflection as you cross over from one side of the sanctuary to the other during the liturgy is not necessary. But you must stop at the center and bow to the altar, unless you’re the deacon carrying the Gospel book. Then you proceed directly to the pulpit without the bowing.

Also, you never genuflect if you have just received communion. I’m talking about those who receive communion and genuflect before they walk back to their seats. There is one more time when you do not genuflect, but this doesn’t happen too often. When you are carrying the bishop’s crossier, you bow and walk across. This last rule, I believe is the same in the EF too. I have never been to an EF mass with a bishop. I could be wrong. It’s for safety reasons that you don’t genuflect, to avoid putting weight on the crosier and breaking it.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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