Putin ‘Probably Approved’ Litvinenko Poisoning, British Inquiry Says

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Spoiler alert! Just wait till you get to the 50th chapter, it will start to convince the jury!

 

[pepipop]

No evidence??? One really really knows this case well??

Perhaps this was the best defence was to accuse the British government of something sinister.

litvinenkoinquiry.org/

litvinenkoinquiry.org/evidence

They have all kinds of evidence, film of the two Russians on Close Circuit TV, the tea pot, maybe fingerprints. Eyewitness accounts. A trail of polonium radiation.

Furthermore, I see Litvenenko’s wife all over the news; per whatever his brother said, his wife’s word must mean something as well.

Where’s the evidence Putin ordered it. Where’s the evidence these two men carried out the crime. Anyone could have carried Po around with them and left traces in places to set ‘anyone’ else up. Intelligence agencies, as per their namesake, are meant to be ‘intelligent’.

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*Sir Robert’s detailed report suggested that Lugovoi may have been set up by the Russian authorities to pretend to be a dissident who had been jailed for helping one of Litvinenko’s friends break out of prison.

‘I’ve seen the nonsense conclusions of your judge who has clearly gone mad,’ Lugovoi said.
'I saw nothing new there. I am very sorry that 10 years on nothing new has been presented, only invention, supposition, rumours.
‘And the fact that such words as “possibly” and “probably” were used in the report, means there is no proof, nothing concrete against us.’

The country’s embassy in Britain today mocked the report, calling it ‘a welcome admission of defeat in scheming to undermine Russia’ and claiming that the UK was trying to pick a fight because of embarrassment over the Iraq War.*

 

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Where’s the evidence Putin ordered it. Where’s the evidence these two men carried out the crime. Anyone could have carried Po around with them and left traces in places to set ‘anyone’ else up. Intelligence agencies, as per their namesake, are meant to be ‘intelligent’.

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*Sir Robert’s detailed report suggested that Lugovoi may have been set up by the Russian authorities to pretend to be a dissident who had been jailed for helping one of Litvinenko’s friends break out of prison.

‘I’ve seen the nonsense conclusions of your judge who has clearly gone mad,’ Lugovoi said.
'I saw nothing new there. I am very sorry that 10 years on nothing new has been presented, only invention, supposition, rumours.
‘And the fact that such words as “possibly” and “probably” were used in the report, means there is no proof, nothing concrete against us.’*

The country’s embassy in Britain today mocked the report, calling it ‘a welcome admission of defeat in scheming to undermine Russia’ and claiming that the UK was trying to pick a fight because of embarrassment over the Iraq War.

No, not anyone can carry around Polonium -210;

wauchopegazette.com.au/story/3680491/alexander-litvinenko-ex-kgb-agents-death-by-polonium-210-leaves-long-trail/?cs=5

They also found “primary contamination” on the Pine Bar table used by the three men, on the chairs, and “extremely high” readings on just one of the bar’s white teapots.

The highest readings were on the inside of the spout.

Given the amount of polonium possessed and used by the assassins, it “strongly indicated” the involvement of a state, Sir Robert said.

“Ordinary criminals might have been expected to use a straightforward, less sophisticated means of killing … the polonium-210 used to kill Mr Litvinenko must have come from a reactor and such reactors are in general under state control.”

All evidence points to the Russians, who Litvenenko was with and to be able to go to a reactor to get this shows involvement of the highest government.

Furthermore, those who perpetrated this crime probably figured, they could not be caught but they found a new way to find polonium as the article indicates.

Kremlin, Putin, it’s basically all the same and just like the assassination of Nemtsov, it may be done in such a way to have a “plausible denial”.

Yuri Shvets told the inquiry “I strongly believe that [the killing] couldn’t be done without Vladimir Putin’s knowledge, because of one of the key traditions of the KGB … KGB rule No. 1 [is] cover your back, and covering your back is to get approval from your superior.”

And Russian dissident Alex Goldfarb, who helped Litvinenko escape Russia, said it was an “inevitable conclusion” that “no one else than Mr Putin” approved the killing – “traditionally this sort of active measures from Soviet times are authorised at the highest political level”.

In his report, Sir Robert said these men could not claim to be impartial observers. He relied instead on Robert Service, a professor of Russian history at Oxford University.

You have Russia now, with their Chechen heavy, actually using menacing language about Russian opposition as if they were not powerful enough in the first place.

So sure, this is some speculation, but the Russian state, state media, a strongman to Putin threatening the opposition which is undeniable, none of this bodes well for the defense.

Chechnya’s Ruler a ‘National Security Threat,’ says Russian Politician
tol.org/client/article/25483-russia-yashin-kadyrov-nemtsov-chechnya.html

 

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No, not anyone can carry around Polonium -210;

wauchopegazette.com.au/story/3680491/alexander-litvinenko-ex-kgb-agents-death-by-polonium-210-leaves-long-trail/?cs=5

All evidence points to the Russians, who Litvenenko was with and to be able to go to a reactor to get this shows involvement of the highest government.

Furthermore, those who perpetrated this crime probably figured, they could not be caught but they found a new way to find polonium as the article indicates.

Kremlin, Putin, it’s basically all the same and just like the assassination of Nemtsov, it may be done in such a way to have a “plausible denial”.

You have Russia now, with their Chechen heavy, actually using menacing language about Russian opposition as if they were not powerful enough in the first place.

So sure, this is some speculation, but the Russian state, state media, a strongman to Putin threatening the opposition which is undeniable, none of this bodes well for the defense.

It does not ‘point’ to Russia anymore than MI6, or any other ‘intelligence’ agency wishing to set Russia up. The fact the outcome was a ‘probable’ finding, means that after spending £8 million pounds - there was no definitive outcome. A complete waste of money.

 

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No, not anyone can carry around Polonium -210…

All evidence points to the Russians, who Litvenenko was with and to be able to go to a reactor to get this shows involvement of the highest government.

It may be the Russians. But just remember the Iraelis posed as Palestinians when they committed the terrorist act of blowing up the King David Hotel. The US government came up with a plan, Operation Northwoods, to hijack US airplanes, commit terrorist bombings, all of which would kill Americans, planning to plant evidence to make it look like the Cubans did it as a pretext to start a war. The ‘authorities’ lack credibility and have very evil plans. I tend towards agnosticism concerning international events.

 

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It does not ‘point’ to Russia anymore than MI6, or any other ‘intelligence’ agency wishing to set Russia up. The fact the outcome was a ‘probable’ finding, means that after spending £8 million pounds - there was no definitive outcome. A complete waste of money.

I will take the word of the foreign Russian intelligence agents, I find it very persuasive.

 

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It may be the Russians. But just remember the Iraelis posed as Palestinians when they committed the terrorist act of blowing up the King David Hotel. The US government came up with a plan, Operation Northwoods, to hijack US airplanes, commit terrorist bombings, all of which would kill Americans, planning to plant evidence to make it look like the Cubans did it as a pretext to start a war. The ‘authorities’ lack credibility and have very evil plans. I tend towards agnosticism concerning international events.

I will remember Pope John Paul II stood up against Communism, this is somewhat the remnants of the old Communist regime with a blend of new flavors. No matter what one says about the wrong the US has ever done, Communism killed millions, maybe over a 100 million in the past century.

Sure, “tu quoque” arguments can always be brought up.

 

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Pity the UK government didn’t want to spend any money doing public inquiries, on these deaths, that happened on their doorstep.

Mind you they had no Russians to blame - drat. .

express.co.uk/news/uk/541793/SNP-activist-killed-over-child-sex-files
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SNP activist ‘killed over child sex files’

A FIREBRAND SNP activist who died in mysterious circumstances was to expose a paedophile ring that would have brought down the Government, it was claimed last night.
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McRae never went public with his allegations as he was found shot dead in his car off a remote road in Wester Ross on April 6, 1985.

Fionna Borders, whose late husband James was a barrister involved in a number of child abuse cases, said she was convinced that McRae was on the verge of “shaking the establishment” to the core when he lost his life.**

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*Patrick Corrigan, Amnesty International Programme Director for the Six Counties, has previously said that Westminster’s failure to hold an independent public inquiry into the circumstances of Pat Finucane’s death “risks fatally undermining public confidence in Britain’s commitment to deal honestly with the past in Northern Ireland”.

He added that “extensive and compelling evidence has emerged which shows that security personnel colluded with loyalist paramilitary groups” in the killing, saying:*

 

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Russia did not extradite these men for questioning.

The Kremlin has obstructed there being a fair hearing on this.

Therefore, we can take the word of the findings. UK did its part and that’s good enough for me.

Try actually contesting the case instead of being in absentia.

 

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Russia did not extradite these men for questioning.

The Kremlin has obstructed there being a fair hearing on this.

Therefore, we can take the word of the findings. UK did its part and that’s good enough for me.

Try actually contesting the case instead of being in absentia.

Then why bother with a public inquiry.

They can put the £8 million towards other murder cases, of their MP’s and lawyers, that were carried out by UK citizens

 

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Then why bother with a public inquiry.

They can put the £8 million towards other murder cases, of their MP’s and lawyers, that were carried out by UK citizens

You’re right, the obstruction of justice tells us enough that the Kremlin is the guilty party in their refusal to extradite these individuals.

But it’s good to get the details out there nonetheless. Why spend money? Because everyone has a right to justice.

 

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You’re right, the obstruction of justice tells us enough that the Kremlin is the guilty party in their refusal to extradite these individuals.

But it’s good to get the details out there nonetheless. Why spend money? Because everyone has a right to justice.

That’s supposition that those two men carried out the crime, they say they’re innocent. So bringing them over would make no difference, as they would say they did not do it. There’s no evidence to prove otherwise.

 

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But it’s good to get the details out there nonetheless. Why spend money? Because everyone has a right to justice.

Sir or madam, I like your ideals.

 

[exnihilo]

I will remember Pope John Paul II stood up against Communism, this is somewhat the remnants of the old Communist regime with a blend of new flavors. No matter what one says about the wrong the US has ever done, Communism killed millions, maybe over a 100 million in the past century.

Sure, “tu quoque” arguments can always be brought up.

Communism is very evil. But just because it is evil doesn’t mean those who stand in opposition to it aren’t. Hitler didn’t like communism either.

 

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I was just reading about two countries where a suspect was extradited to the other country, these things happen all the time.

Good for the UK to stand up for justice.

 

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Oh, sure, and the big rally for Kadyrov:

Kadyrov, 39, a former Chechen rebel turned Kremlin ally, has made a series of strongly-worded verbal tirades against the liberal opposition in recent weeks, calling them “enemies of the people,” a Stalin-era phrase some of Vladimir Putin’s rivals see as an implicit death threat.
euronews.com/2016/01/22/thousands-attend-rally-for-pro-kremlin-chechen-leader-kadyrov/

It’s up to everyone’s choice as to what governments they want; this is chilling. If people parade some great belief in the governments of the USSR or Russia, it deserves a response.

I believe the logic fails, this is pure and simple per the Litvenenko story, a crime that was investigated and that occurred in the UK.

Sure, real credible believing those trying to nullify the story where at the same time, a major politician, Kadyrov, is seen as issuing veiled threats against the opposition, is not called on it by the authorities in Russia. Real credible system. I guess we can compare this to the UK as well!

 

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You’ll note, I amended my post to include Russia, I did not care to be confrontational and believe me, it is not for a lack of knowldge.

Anyway, I don’t see politicians in UK or USA or Australia or Ukraine making what are regarded as veiled threats against opposition politicians, I don’t see this a la Farage or any of these politicians.

Kadyrov, 39, a former Chechen rebel turned Kremlin ally, has made a series of strongly-worded verbal tirades against the liberal opposition in recent weeks, calling them “enemies of the people,” a Stalin-era phrase some of Vladimir Putin’s rivals see as an implicit death threat.

euronews.com/2016/01/22/thousands-attend-rally-for-pro-kremlin-chechen-leader-kadyrov/

So, if this system is defended and believe me, it is the government and not the people of Russia that are being defended, then have at it and it should be seen as what it is. As for me, this is fairly pitiful and bemusing as well.

Chilling, chilling in the face of politicians, journalists, etc. being found dead or being assassinated in Russia and there seems to be quite a lot of articles on this.

The challenge should be met, if one is posting on the “workers’ paradise” and so on.

 

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I was just reading about two countries where a suspect was extradited to the other country, these things happen all the time.

Good for the UK to stand up for justice.

Pity they wouldn’t do public inquiries and stand up for justice in relation to their own citizens, i.e. British MPs and lawyers who have been murdered, and some nearly 30 years ago.

The murderers, some who are allegedly from the British security forces and/or intelligence agencies, are let off and not subject to a public inquiry.

Needless to say, ‘extradition’ of such killers is neither here nor there, even IF they absconded overseas, as their killings are never investigated in the first place…

 

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Pity they wouldn’t do public inquiries and stand up for justice in relation to their own citizens, i.e. British MPs and lawyers who have been murdered, and some nearly 30 years ago.

The murderers, some who are allegedly from the British security forces and/or intelligence agencies, are let off and not subject to a public inquiry.

Needless to say, ‘extradition’ of such killers is neither here nor there, even IF they absconded overseas, as their killings are never investigated in the first place…

Sure, if there is proof of this, by all means, let’s start a thread on it.

 

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Sure, if there is proof of this, by all means, let’s start a thread on it.

A small sample already posted, but makes the whole Litvinenko inquiry hypocritical and ludicrous, when British victims’ relatives have been waiting nearly 30 years for ‘justice’, especially so when the ‘verdict’ was ‘probably’, i.e NO verdict at all.

I’d say there’ll be a few disgruntled relatives, referring to the Litvinenko fiasco and using it as an example, to ask why their inquiries have not been dealt with and how this non-verdict inquiry took priority over theirs.

express.co.uk/news/uk/541…hild-sex-files

*SNP activist ‘killed over child sex files’

A FIREBRAND SNP activist who died in mysterious circumstances was to expose a paedophile ring that would have brought down the Government, it was claimed last night.

McRae never went public with his allegations as he was found shot dead in his car off a remote road in Wester Ross on April 6, 1985.

Fionna Borders, whose late husband James was a barrister involved in a number of child abuse cases, said she was convinced that McRae was on the verge of “shaking the establishment” to the core when he lost his life.

anphoblacht.com/contents/25421

Patrick Corrigan, Amnesty International Programme Director for the Six Counties, has previously said that Westminster’s failure to hold an independent public inquiry into the circumstances of Pat Finucane’s death “risks fatally undermining public confidence in Britain’s commitment to deal honestly with the past in Northern Ireland”.

He added that “extensive and compelling evidence has emerged which shows that security personnel colluded with loyalist paramilitary groups” in the killing, saying:
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