Putin Keeps Pope Waiting, Gets Told Off by Francis on Ukraine

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bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-10/putin-keeps-pope-waiting-gets-told-off-by-francis-on-ukraine
Pope Francis waited for more than an hour to tell Russian President Vladimir Putin to commit to peace and dialogue on Ukraine.
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Putin kept the leader of 1.2 billion Catholics waiting for 70 minutes – a rare occurrence at the Vatican. At their first meeting in November 2013, he was 50 minutes late. That was about how long their second encounter lasted.
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Related to this as well as this.
 
In Putin’s defense, if I were coming to the principal’s office for a chewing out and I had no excuse, I would be a little slow getting there too! I’m thinking immature, not arrogant.
 
Antegin said:
In Putin’s defense, if I were coming to the principal’s office for a chewing out and I had no excuse, I would be a little slow getting there too! I’m thinking immature, not arrogant.
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Considering Putin IS Orthodox i’m sure he doesn’t care what the Pope thinks anyway. Not that he cares what anyone thinks but there is the whole papal denial thing
 
If only heads of government being late to see the Pope were the world’s biggest problems.
 
I don’t think I’d like Pope Francis mad at me. I wonder what really important issues did the Pope have to reschedule because of a petulant dictator.
 
on_the_hill said:
There’s a picture of the two facing each other. Pope Francis has a stern but kindly look on his face. Putin’s head is down, looking up through his eyelashes–and I’ve never seen him look more uncomfortably contrite. Almost like a surly teenager’s “I know, dad! Now can we **please **stop talking about it?”

timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/pope-putin.jpg?quality=65&strip=color&w=1100
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Pope Francis has stated the Ukraine conflict is fratricidal - which it is, and not Russian troops fighting in Ukraine. He has never commented on Crimea.

I’d say the Pope has more in common with Putin that other leaders he meets, due to their similar positions on several matters.

rt.com/news/266434-pope-putin-vatican-meeting/

*However, at the hour-long private audience with the Russian President, the Pope took a neutral stance. He urged for more humanitarian assistance, which Russia already provides, and for a peaceful solution to the crisis via Minsk II roadmap.

The meeting with Pope Francis was Putin’s second. The two men champion similar conservative values in a rapidly changing world, as well as concerns for emerging threats to Christianity. During their last meeting in 2013, Putin and the Pope discussed the dangers that Christians face in the Middle East at the hands of radical Islamists.*

Why Putin is always late:

theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/11/why-is-vladimir-putin-always-late-russian-president-tardiness-pope-francis

*But being late is something Putin has done for a long time. His former wife Lyudmila Putina once recounted how his lateness to their first dates reduced her to tears. “I was never late, but Vladimir Vladimirovich always ways. An hour and a half was normal. I remember standing around in the metro. The first 15 minutes of lateness are OK, half an hour also fine. But when an hour goes by and he’s still not there, you start crying.”

In a possible sign that even Putin felt awkward at keeping the pontiff waiting, the Kremlin took the unusual step of explaining Wednesday’s delay.

“It’s true that the meeting with the pope happened a little after the planned time,” Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Russian journalists. “This was because talks in Milan went on longer than expected and our motorcade was quite slow moving through the streets of Milan and Rome. Of course, during the whole time we kept in touch with the Vatican and explained our lateness.”*
 
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Pope Francis has stated the Ukraine conflict is fratricidal - which it is, and not Russian troops fighting in Ukraine. He has never commented on Crimea.

I’d say the Pope has more in common with Putin that other leaders he meets, due to their similar positions on several matters.

rt.com/news/266434-pope-putin-vatican-meeting/

*However, at the hour-long private audience with the Russian President, the Pope took a neutral stance. He urged for more humanitarian assistance, which Russia already provides, and for a peaceful solution to the crisis via Minsk II roadmap.

The meeting with Pope Francis was Putin’s second. The two men champion similar conservative values in a rapidly changing world,* as well as concerns for emerging threats to Christianity. During their last meeting in 2013, Putin and the Pope discussed the dangers that Christians face in the Middle East at the hands of radical Islamists.

Why Putin is always late:

theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/11/why-is-vladimir-putin-always-late-russian-president-tardiness-pope-francis

*But being late is something Putin has done for a long time. His former wife Lyudmila Putina once recounted how his lateness to their first dates reduced her to tears. “I was never late, but Vladimir Vladimirovich always ways. An hour and a half was normal. I remember standing around in the metro. The first 15 minutes of lateness are OK, half an hour also fine. But when an hour goes by and he’s still not there, you start crying.”

In a possible sign that even Putin felt awkward at keeping the pontiff waiting, the Kremlin took the unusual step of explaining Wednesday’s delay.

“It’s true that the meeting with the pope happened a little after the planned time,” Putin’s spokesman Dmitry Peskov told Russian journalists. “This was because talks in Milan went on longer than expected and our motorcade was quite slow moving through the streets of Milan and Rome. Of course, during the whole time we kept in touch with the Vatican and explained our lateness.”*
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Putin also said he considered using nukes in Crimea. Are we going to believe someone like that? Not me.

nydailynews.com/news/world/putin-russia-nukes-ready-crimea-article-1.2150542

This certainly does not appear to be Christian.

If I opine in something in far away Ukraine, it’s that landmines are blowing children up among others.

Those weapons used by the rebels must come from Russia, even those rationalizing this violence against Slavic peoples can’t ignore that.

Imagine if Prime Minister David Cameron said he considered using nuclear weapons over Northern Ireland.
 
on_the_hill said:
I’d have to know more, but it’s probably not fairly characterized as the U.S. “lecturing” the Pope. I’d bet that anytime two heads of state get together there are diplomats lobbying on either side.

You know you can’t be in the meeting, so you do what you can to make your voice heard.
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This was the original story from the Guardian, I would agree it was not ‘lecturing’. However, I cannot see a Russian diplomat suggesting what the Pope ought to say to another world leaders, e.g. from the USA/UK/EU countries, etc.

theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/10/pope-francis-urged-to-take-tougher-stance-against-vladimir-putin
 
Path_Finder said:
Putin also said he considered using nukes in Crimea. Are we going to believe someone like that? Not me.

nydailynews.com/news/world/putin-russia-nukes-ready-crimea-article-1.2150542

This certainly does not appear to be Christian.

If I opine in something in far away Ukraine, it’s that landmines are blowing children up among others.

Those weapons used by the rebels must come from Russia, even those rationalizing this violence against Slavic peoples can’t ignore that.

Imagine if Prime Minister David Cameron said he considered using nuclear weapons over Northern Ireland.
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Well only one country has used them so I guess no we shouldn’t believe someone like that.

Believe me the west has set the Christian standard so high Pathfinder that you rightly question Putins comparative Christianess. In fact Putin is so not Christian that you’ve created new orthodox dogma that bans divorce.

Sure you also opine with the nonstop insulting anti Russian news posts… you’ve called them porn addicts, pedophiles, almost JFK level adulterers…

You also can’t ignore that Russia is slavic and the largest slavic country. But it must be weird seeing a slavic country not under the boot of a superior western country.

Posh boy would probably spill some champagne if somebody threatened to touch his precious Argentinian islands. Or he’d just do it the British way and flood the are with British protestants and hold a referendum to show how progressive he is.
 
on_the_hill said:
There’s a picture of the two facing each other. Pope Francis has a stern but kindly look on his face. Putin’s head is down, looking up through his eyelashes–and I’ve never seen him look more uncomfortably contrite. Almost like a surly teenager’s “I know, dad! Now can we **please **stop talking about it?”

timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/pope-putin.jpg?quality=65&strip=color&w=1100
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That photo of the two of them looks nothing as you described it.
 
Whats with the spin that Pope Francis chastised Putin? Pope Francis hasn’t confronted any world leader directly in such a way as far as I’m aware of so why would he do it to Putin, a man who has influence and who chastising would only be counter productive?
 
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They should have them! But they don’t use threats which would include harming women and children. All of my Russian friends agree too, they see being Russian as being more than defending Totalitarian States!
 
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