Putting Catholic faith into action on climate change

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you gotta be kiddin…climate change…where have you been,this is the worst,coolest spring and summer on record…there is no climate change.this is brought to you by the folks who bleated about the year 2000 and at midnite all of the worlds computers will go bonkers…remember that one…all a hoax…as the Cardiff giant was back in the 1800s…now its the swine flu…by keeping a citizenry off balance with fear headlines it cant think on a rational basis and thus is ready to believe anything…say a lie long and loud enough and no matter how absurd the common folks will repeat it and believe it!..lets turn america into a third world country…walk to work ,make sure labs dont invent an alternative feul source for our cars,close the coal mines,stop all nuclear plants…we cant have that solve the problem,tax the masses to death for their own good of course and make sure they worship us…we the state ,their new god of all goodness…amen and amen…climate change indeed…if anything its getting colder not warmer and if it did…good that means more longer growing seasons but no…we cant use logic in this discussion…yes 2+2=5 if our rulers say it is…
 
Gabriella_San_S said:
Brilliantly articulated and so helpful to a Catholic, like me, who has up until now lacked much understanding on the issue. Thank you.
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I agree - and think this was well articulated.

As a Catholic I have also found very helpful the information that is coming directly from the Catholic Coalition on Climate Change - catholicsandclimatechange.org/ referenced in the original post.
 
Nino said:
you gotta be kiddin…climate change…where have you been,this is the worst,coolest spring and summer on record…there is no climate change.this is brought to you by the folks who bleated about the year 2000 and at midnite all of the worlds computers will go bonkers…remember that one…all a hoax…as the Cardiff giant was back in the 1800s…now its the swine flu…by keeping a citizenry off balance with fear headlines it cant think on a rational basis and thus is ready to believe anything…say a lie long and loud enough and no matter how absurd the common folks will repeat it and believe it!..lets turn america into a third world country…walk to work ,make sure labs dont invent an alternative feul source for our cars,close the coal mines,stop all nuclear plants…we cant have that solve the problem,tax the masses to death for their own good of course and make sure they worship us…we the state ,their new god of all goodness…amen and amen…climate change indeed…if anything its getting colder not warmer and if it did…good that means more longer growing seasons but no…we cant use logic in this discussion…yes 2+2=5 if our rulers say it is…
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:rotfl: Spoken like a*** true ***New Yorker!!! So you mean I shouldn’t be telling my in-laws from nyc to “stay away” because I don’t want to get swine flu? Haven’t most of the deaths been in the city where it started? Shouldn’t I be concerned as an insulin dependent diabetic with nine children?? Should I be “throwing pearls to swine”?
 
4elise said:
I agree - and think this was well articulated.

As a Catholic I have also found very helpful the information that is coming directly from the Catholic Coalition on Climate Change - catholicsandclimatechange.org/ referenced in the original post.
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However, this organization is decidedly left-wing in nature and closely allied to, and friendly with the radical secular power seeking groups. Those same groups have POPULATION control/reduction as one of their primary goals. This is not Catholic in any sense of the word, so caution must be exercised in considering their viewpoints. A PRUDENT Catholic will allow a balanced examination of known facts by non-agendized scientists to take place, as well as allotting time for policy planners and the Church hierarchy to make reasonable proposals to apply our limited tax dollars to those nations and areas of the earth most in violation of good stewardship. Hint: It’s not the U.S.

I note that the “poor” have become the pawns of convenience in this power struggle. However, very few concerned activists seem to be doing anything at all to actually feed the poor, even now. Agricultural experts have long contended that a small rise in temperature increases food production. This is good and coincides, providentially, with greater earthly need for food. Given existing technology and societal development, a decrease in temperature requires a population reduction - this being proposed by those who are at the same time vociferously anti-war. Go figure. Either way, I see no clamor on the part of the climate change folks to feed those humans who are alive now, and suffering now.
 
Gabriella_San_S said:
:rotfl: Spoken like a*** true ***New Yorker!!! So you mean I shouldn’t be telling my in-laws from nyc to “stay away” because I don’t want to get swine flu? Haven’t most of the deaths been in the city where it started? Shouldn’t I be concerned as an insulin dependent diabetic with nine children?? Should I be “throwing pearls to swine”?
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I wonder if there are any kinescope recordings of early television news … back in the 50’s and 60’s when, to demonstrate the terrible summer heat, they would fry eggs on pavements and car hoods.

[Kinescope recordings were films that they made by making movies from the television screens. This was before video tape. Long before video tape. You can see the quality of what was available if you view the recovered films of Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen’s award winning television lectures … he was on prime time for years and won an Emmy. Somehow, somewhere, folks found some old warehouses with kinescopes of his television programs. Maybe in those old warehouses, there are kinescopes of the old news and weather programs.]
 
Al_Masetti said:
I wonder if there are any kinescope recordings of early television news … back in the 50’s and 60’s when, to demonstrate the terrible summer heat, they would fry eggs on pavements and car hoods.

[Kinescope recordings were films that they made by making movies from the television screens. This was before video tape. Long before video tape. You can see the quality of what was available if you view the recovered films of Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen’s award winning television lectures … he was on prime time for years and won an Emmy. Somehow, somewhere, folks found some old warehouses with kinescopes of his television programs. Maybe in those old warehouses, there are kinescopes of the old news and weather programs.]
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And…your point was…? Respectfully speaking.🙂
 
po18guy said:
However, this organization is decidedly left-wing in nature and closely allied to, and friendly with the radical secular power seeking groups. Those same groups have POPULATION control/reduction as one of their primary goals. This is not Catholic in any sense of the word, so caution must be exercised in considering their viewpoints. A PRUDENT Catholic will allow a balanced examination of known facts by non-agendized scientists to take place, as well as allotting time for policy planners and the Church hierarchy to make reasonable proposals to apply our limited tax dollars to those nations and areas of the earth most in violation of good stewardship. Hint: It’s not the U.S.

I note that the “poor” have become the pawns of convenience in this power struggle. However, very few concerned activists seem to be doing anything at all to actually feed the poor, even now. Agricultural experts have long contended that a small rise in temperature increases food production. This is good and coincides, providentially, with greater earthly need for food. Given existing technology and societal development, a decrease in temperature requires a population reduction - this being proposed by those who are at the same time vociferously anti-war. Go figure. Either way, I see no clamor on the part of the climate change folks to feed those humans who are alive now, and suffering now.
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Respectfully - you are saying that this is a "decidedly left-wing’ group - the Catholic Coalition on Climate Change,

This group includes:

U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
Code: 
* Social Development and World Peace/Environmental Justice Program 
* Catholic Campaign for Human Development 
* Migration and Refugee Services of the USCCB
National Religious Partnership for the Environment

Other Partnering Organizations
* Catholic Relief Services
* National Council of Catholic Women
* Catholic Health Association of the United States
* Catholic Charities USA
* National Catholic Rural Life Conference
* Association of Catholic Colleges and Universities
* Franciscan Action Network
* Carmelite NGO
* Leadership Conference of Women Religious
* Conference of Major Superiors of Men

This seems to me to be a decidedly CATHOLIC group -

I don’t see any of these groups espousing population control.
I don’t see the poor as pawns in this discussion, but instead at the heart of it.

This is why I believe that CAF is the perfect place to have a discussion on what the Catholic Church is saying on this topic.

The action recommended by this Catholic group can be found on their web site - catholicclimatecovenant.org/

Obviously you can disagree as a Catholic individual - but I doubt that you will find a Catholic organization with a different position -
 
4elise said:
Respectfully - you are saying that this is a "decidedly left-wing’ group - the Catholic Coalition on Climate Change,

This group includes:

U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops
  • Social Development and World Peace/Environmental Justice Program
  • Catholic Campaign for Human Development
  • Migration and Refugee Services of the USCCB
National Religious Partnership for the Environment

Other Partnering Organizations
  • Catholic Relief Services
  • National Council of Catholic Women
  • Catholic Health Association of the United States
  • Catholic Charities USA
  • National Catholic Rural Life Conference
  • Association of Catholic Colleges and Universities
  • Franciscan Action Network
  • Carmelite NGO
  • Leadership Conference of Women Religious
  • Conference of Major Superiors of Men
This seems to me to be a decidedly CATHOLIC group -

I don’t see any of these groups espousing population control.
I don’t see the poor as pawns in this discussion, but instead at the heart of it.

This is why I believe that CAF is the perfect place to have a discussion on what the Catholic Church is saying on this topic.

The action recommended by this Catholic group can be found on their web site - catholicclimatecovenant.org/

Obviously you can disagree as a Catholic individual - but I doubt that you will find a Catholic organization with a different position -
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Acton Institute.
 
4elise said:
The Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty
The Acton Institute is an **ecumenical think-tank **dedicated to the study of free-market economics informed by religious faith and moral absolutes.
www.acton.org/ -
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I know all that. FR Cirico knows me and my wife. He was underconsideration to be the celebrant at my wedding Mass. He had another obligation that day. One of my 4 sisters was an intern for them a year ago.
 
aspawloski4th said:
I know all that. FR Cirico knows me and my wife. He was underconsideration to be the celebrant at my wedding Mass. He had another obligation that day. One of my 4 sisters was an intern for them a year ago.
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I offered that for clarification as I believe your post was in response to my - just prior post -
“Obviously you can disagree as a Catholic individual - but I doubt that you will find a Catholic organization with a different position”
 
4elise said:
I offered that for clarification as I believe your post was in response to my - just prior post -
“Obviously you can disagree as a Catholic individual - but I doubt that you will find a Catholic organization with a different position”
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Acton is Catholic. If you don’t believe me Ill have my sister who was an intern for them show you. To not believe her would be to call her a liar. And I don’t do that.
 
aspawloski4th said:
Acton is Catholic. If you don’t believe me Ill have my sister who was an intern for them show you. To not believe her would be to call her a liar. And I don’t do that.
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Forgive me, I’m not trying to be argumentative - and I most certainly wound never presume to call anyone a liar. I don’t offer this to say anything negative about ecumenical efforts either…

And I am sure many Catholics are involved in the Acton Institute, it may have a strong influence by many Catholic priests and lay people, many Catholics involved in preparing their material, working, volunteering, etc… however it is by their own definition that they are ecumenical -

google.com/search?q=acton+institute&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

And also from their web site:

Acton Institute Core Principles
Integrating Judeo-Christian Truths with Free Market Principles
  1. Dignity of the Person
  2. Social Nature of the Person
  3. Importance of Social Institutions
  4. Human Action
  5. Sin
  6. Rule of Law and the Subsidiary Role of Government
  7. Creation of Wealth
  8. Economic Liberty
  9. Economic Value
  10. Priority of Culture
Their board of and board of advisors includes a pastor from a community church, the president of Calvin College, a Rabbi, etc…

So again - not to say anything negative about ecumenicism at all… 🙂
 
4elise said:
Forgive me, I’m not trying to be argumentative - and I most certainly wound never presume to call anyone a liar. I don’t offer this to say anything negative about ecumenical efforts either…

And I am sure many Catholics are involved in the Acton Institute, it may have a strong influence by many Catholic priests and lay people, many Catholics involved in preparing their material, working, volunteering, etc… however it is by their own definition that they are ecumenical -

google.com/search?q=acton+institute&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

And also from their web site:

Acton Institute Core Principles
Integrating Judeo-Christian Truths with Free Market Principles
  1. Dignity of the Person
  2. Social Nature of the Person
  3. Importance of Social Institutions
  4. Human Action
  5. Sin
  6. Rule of Law and the Subsidiary Role of Government
  7. Creation of Wealth
  8. Economic Liberty
  9. Economic Value
  10. Priority of Culture
Their board of and board of advisors includes a pastor from a community church, the president of Calvin College, a Rabbi, etc…

So again - not to say anything negative about ecumenicism at all… 🙂
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Eccumental and Catholic are not mutually exclusive. Fr Cirico is still top dog. They are Catholic. They sponsored my sister going to the Vatican’s University.
 
4elise said:
The action recommended by this Catholic group can be found on their web site - catholicclimatecovenant.org/
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I went there. From the “sky is falling” tone of their home page, the overt America bashing, guilt-ridden admissions and apologies for our culture, stretched out of context Papal quotes and frequent use of liberal buzzwords, they have drunk the climate change kool-aid. They are a left-wing, primarily secular group that clothes themselves in the Church. Take that to the bank.

Funny thing, though - Not a peep about democratizing third world nations to advance justice. Completely silent on advancing technology in third world societies to enable them to stop the deforestation process. Mum’s the word on actually feeding the poor. Not a peep. Only the “blame America first” drumbeat. Very odd.

BTW, did you read: news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25401759-5000117,00.html

Not that it will change your mind, but only so that you will see that there are credible opposing viewpoints, even in the secular world.
 
po18guy said:
but only so that you will see that there are credible opposing viewpoints, even in the secular world.
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Thank you - I have no doubt that there are opposing viewpoints that are secular - and that among Catholic individuals there are people of good faith who have come to a different conclusion… what I wondered here… if there are climate change deniers among Catholic organizations?
 
Well, Catholic Answers addresses issues of evangelization. Which the NCCB should be doing, but isn’t. [Some years ago, I had a conversation with Avery Cardinal Dulles and he was particularly upset that the Catholic Church in the U.S. particularly the central organizations in Washington … probably referring to NCCB … had spent a huge amount of money on evangelization and, in his words, had nothing to show for it. Shortly after that meeting, Cardinal Dulles connected up with Karl Keating and they collaborated on some writing projects, as I recall.]

Catholic League addresses issues of anti-defamation against the Catholic Church, which the NCCB should be doing, but isn’t.

catholicleague.org/release_quarter.php?year=2009&month_begin=4&month_end=6

So, while the NCCB should be doing a lot of things (which they aren’t), the things that they should be doing are being done by lay people.

All of the right-to-life groups are mostly run by lay people … I can think of one … Priests for Life … but that is run basically outside of the Church/ NCCB.

So, I guess most of the work that the NCCB should be doing is being done by laypeople.

Here’s another task that the NCCB SHOULD be doing but isn’t … defending Pope Pius XII :

catholicleague.org/pius.php

Causes for canonization seem to be run by laypeople, as well. I’m thinking of Solanus Casey, specifically … but I’m sure there are others.

solanuscasey.org/

So, why do we need the NCCB? All they “seem” to do is to sow confusion among Catholics.

I got intimately involved in detail with the NCCB’s work for peace and their documents did not mention the word prayer, but seemed to go on endlessly parroting Marxist / Socialist / Communist ideology. I was REALLY deeply involved. And the infighting was fierce.
 
There is no more NCCB. The organization changed its name to the USCCB–United States Conference of Catholic Bishops. And the USCCB does indeed trend toward the left when it comes to political issues. The would probably trend even more to the left had not the abortion issue caused them to consider the fact that abortion rights are primarily favored by the left wing in politics.

As to the partnering orgainization in the Catholic Coalition on Climate Change, I’m not familiar with all of them, but the LCWR (Leadership Conference of Women Religious) and the Conference of Major Superiors of Men, do tend to have a left wing bias, both in religious and social matters.
 
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