Putting Catholic faith into action on climate change

[4elise]

:hug1: For 4elise.

In 4elise’s defense, climate change is the topic of the thread. So, in the limited parameters of this thread, of course it seems like it is the “only issue” that 4elise cares about.

Well, it seems that this thread has crossed the 1,000 post threshold and will likely be closed soon. Stay tuned for the thread “Putting Catholic faith into action on climate change - Part Two.”

Thanks Joe! See you there…

 

[TEPO]

I think the Church contains alot of different types of people. Environmentalism and veganism are a few of the thousands of different types of personalities within the Church.

I dont think this issue of environment deserves any more attention than other prudential issues in the world today… Especially since, - “The Bishops acknowledge that Catholic social thought does not contain a fully developed ecological ethics.” -
ocw.nd.edu/theology/catholic-social-teaching/unit-xi-catholic-social-teaching-on-the

-just because this issue resonates with a few catholics, dosent mean the whole catholic body should adopt the issue and place it on top.
Unless you are saying God wants us to make care of the earth a top priority? Is this the agenda?

 

[TEPO]

And please dont simply post that UCCB website back as response.

(when will this thread ever expire??)

 

[TEPO]

You do believe in top priorities dont you?

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

or maybe not,…mabe we should speak out on both issues. Like The Holy Father does.

Green marxism and eugenics are always, always linked. The Church supports eugenics? I must have missed the memo.

 

[po18guy]

Your post I was responding to said that Catholicism was my second religion - this is what I would expect an apology to…

I said “might”. Words have meaning. Please don’t read into them. The suggestion was intended to cause introspection. Climate change does not prevent any of us from supporting the poor right now. It does not prevent us from contacting our Senator regarding abortion right now. While we do that, we can wait for the emotion that is associated with the climate change controversy to wane slightly so that prudence can enter in. In the meantime, we prudent Catholics can continue do our individual parts in taking care of God’s creation.

I think if you read through the threads - it is the three things that the Catholic Church suggest we consider when discussing this - Prudence, Concern for the Poor, and the common Good - suggesting in fact that personal action is the response that I have stressed.

But, haven’t you elevated it to the driving force in your life? Are you assuming that we here are not taking personal action? You would be pleasantly surprised if you saw the cumulative efforts already being taken by those on this forum. A possible flaw in your position is that, as Catholics we somehow fall short of your proper level of concern or action. This can have the appearance of arrogance, even if it’s not true. It is that appearance, that perception, that brings opposition.

I also never suggested that those who disagree with MMCC do so to using your words ‘rape the earth’

Nope. I suggested it. I was a point made to lend perspective.

Also - I think if you went through the threads you would find that it is not I alone who support the USCCB’S participation in the Catholic Coalition on Climate Change - and I have ONLY responded to other posts -

I simply cannot fathom your intense interest in this specific organization. CCCC has done nothing, as far as I can see to concretely change anything. Say that we all join CCCC. India and China continue to spew gases into the atmosphere, while American polluters simply now pay a tax and continue to pollute. That is progress?

So again - I would expect an apology for your suggestion that this issue is more important to me than my faith. I have always tried to engage in civil discussions here - but perhaps the our country is just beyond that - I think it is very sad.

I will not apologize for making a mere suggestion that was intended to cause some introspection. Now, I freely admit that my charity has been lacking recently, and I am honestly working on that.

However, there is something in the very premise of this thread - the tenor of speech. Maybe it is the verbiage used, but it can come across as arrogant and condescending. You can say that it is not, and in fact it may not be, but it still appears to be. That’s all.

 

[Contarini]

But, haven’t you elevated it to the driving force in your life?

Why does this make Catholicism her “second religion” any more than a prolife commitment makes Catholicism one’s “second religion.”

Moral causes should be driven by our faith. Our commitment to them does not compromise our faith. You are clearly making this suggestion selectively based on the fact that you happen to disagree with this particular position. Your “suggestion” is therefore insulting, inappropriate, and lacks all validity.

Edwin

 

[TEPO]

Why does this make Catholicism her “second religion” any more than a prolife commitment makes Catholicism one’s “second religion.”
Edwin

Because you have to believe in it! The numbers and calculations on MMCC cannot personally be seen. Some one else, whom you either trust, or do not trust took the calculations. You can *see *abortion!

(keep in mind I’m not the original poster)

 

[4elise]

Why does this make Catholicism her “second religion” any more than a prolife commitment makes Catholicism one’s “second religion.”

Moral causes should be driven by our faith. Our commitment to them does not compromise our faith. You are clearly making this suggestion selectively based on the fact that you happen to disagree with this particular position. Your “suggestion” is therefore insulting, inappropriate, and lacks all validity.

Edwin

I’m signing off for a couple of days - will not have access to a computer till Sunday evening - but first I want to say thank you Edwin… and I feel that I have to address this comment:

From po18guy

But, haven’t you elevated it to the driving force in your life?

If I have given you that impression here - it is a mistaken one.
I have started threads on the mission ad gentes of the Church and had one other post reply - I started a post to pray for Pope Benedict when he was in the Holy Land that had no responses - so no, this is not the driving force of my life. Your assumption is that, an assumption, and a very uncharitable one at that since you add judgement to it.

I will not apologize for making a mere suggestion that was intended to cause some introspection. Now, I freely admit that my charity has been lacking recently, and I am honestly working on that.

However, there is something in the very premise of this thread - the tenor of speech. Maybe it is the verbiage used, but it can come across as arrogant and condescending. You can say that it is not, and in fact it may not be, but it still appears to be. That’s all.

Your mere suggestion may have been intended to cause introspection - but it was very insulting, and yet you do not seem to be willing to acknowledge that.

If my tenor or verbiage has ever come across as arrogant or condescending I offer a sincere apology to you and anyone else in this discussion - this has never been my intention, I have thought we have had a spirited and respectful dialogue - however, if you have heard arrogance in the tone, allow me to apologize to you.

 

[Joe_5859]

If my tenor or verbiage has ever come across as arrogant or condescending I offer a sincere apology to you and anyone else in this discussion - this has never been my intention, I have thought we have had a spirited and respectful dialogue - however, if you have heard arrogance in the tone, allow me to apologize to you.

Hey, this thread is still going!

For what it’s worth, I haven’t found 4elise to come off as arrogant or insulting, even though I’m more inclined to dismiss MMCC than to accept it as fact. From experience (), I would say that it is easier to read condescension into the words of those we disagree with. Maybe that’s just me, though.

 

[Eddie_Mac]

What I find funny is how global warming worshippers want us to put supreme faith in junk science and speculation when most of them will not put any faith in our real Supreme God and even claim He does not exist.

Eddie Mac

 

[Ender]

Bleh I thought I was done with this thread but since the NOAA thing keeps being brought up I thought I would post this since I think I finally found that report. ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2008/ann/bams/full-report.pdf start at about page 23.

Since neither you nor 4elise have responded to the problems this report presents that I pointed out earlier you can expect the “NOAA thing” to continue to pop up.

But it definately doesn;t seem to be saying that warming has stopped for the long term.

Actually, what they reported was the fact that there has been zero greenhouse warming for the last decade and that another five years of zero warming will demonstrate that all of the climate models are wrong. I have yet to see a memo from the USCCB explaining the scientific implications of the NOAA report. Perhaps they are still running regression analyses of the data.

Ender

 

[Joe_5859]

I wonder how high we can get the post count before the Moderators notice we’ve surpassed the post limit? Shhh, no one tell the Mods.

 

[TEPO]

I wonder how high we can get the post count before the Moderators notice we’ve surpassed the post limit? Shhh, no one tell the Mods.

Oh, now I’m definantly telling… Thanks for the idea!

 

[Bill_Cherry]

Green marxism and eugenics are always, always linked. The Church supports eugenics? I must have missed the memo.

I do not think the church supports eugenics. No offense but that is a Glenn Beck type of reasoning… (and this is how I got there…)
Come on Sailor! You can do better than that!

 

[4elise]

I’ve been away for a couple of days…

Thought I’d come back to a closed forum since we are way past 1000 posts at this point.

So - I would like to take the opportunity to thank everyone (well almost everyone) for the respectful discussion on this topic.

As people of faith I certainly hope we will keep our minds open to the possibility that we should make the personal sacrifices that can make a difference - we can continue to be the ‘counter’ in the ‘culture’ —

God Bless,

 

[Feanor2]

Due to our new baby the Mini is now too small so we are going to get a Prius!

 

[Joe_5859]

I’ve been away for a couple of days…

Thought I’d come back to a closed forum since we are way past 1000 posts at this point.

So - I would like to take the opportunity to thank everyone (well almost everyone) for the respectful discussion on this topic.

As people of faith I certainly hope we will keep our minds open to the possibility that we should make the personal sacrifices that can make a difference - we can continue to be the ‘counter’ in the ‘culture’ —

God Bless,

Yes, it is truly amazing that a thread on this “hot button” of an issue made it to 1000 posts without being closed for a lack of charity! There were some rough patches, but overall, I think it went rather well.

 

[Joe_5859]

Where did everyone go? The thread hasn’t been closed yet.

 

[JimG]

Where did everyone go? The thread hasn’t been closed yet.

Everything has been said! More than once.