You like “Man in the Mirror”, too? I love the song, too. It seems that a lot of people on this forum like it as well.
Lying in bed with children is the same thing as firing a shot at a deer.Missing a shot implies that there was an earnest attempt to shoot the deer. If he really didn’t try to shoot the deer and “missed” on purpose, he didn’t really “miss” because his target wasn’t actually the deer. However, you wouldn’t know if he really tried to shoot the deer or not unless he told you. It’s a similar thing with Jackson’s case…except there’s an extra catch. First, we don’t know if Jackson intended or desired to have sexual contact with children (I strongly doubt it). That is something you continue to claim to know (with the use of words like “lure”), but you really don’t. Second, and most importantly, you have no proof that Jackson touched a child or did anything with a child that was sexual in nature. On the other hand you do have proof that the person made a shot and therefore there is at least some plausible claim that he is a hunter.
Jesus said that we need to stop judging by appearances and judge rightly. Right judgment is the careful and prudent judgment about things. A judgment by appearance is simply a quick and ignorant (for lack of a better term) judgment based on how we see things. You are not alone in such things. I struggle too in making right judgments about people and things. But just so you know, God in heaven is watching. To make damaging claims such as the one you make about someone else, regardless if he be a celebrity, especially about something you are not very sure about, is nothing less than libelous. Of course, it doesn’t seem like a big deal…Michael is (or was) a celebrity after all. But if you really think about it, what you are doing is not all that different from defaming or libeling a co-worker or a peer. I’ve really thought about it…those tabloids…the very publishing of them is a sin, I think, especially if those things are false. I have a lot of work to do myself on this issue, but I thought I should bring it to your attention before you proceed with claims you are unsure about.
I never said that him lying in bed with children was right. In fact I believe he should not have laid in bed with them. However, that’s from the point of view that there is an adult and a child in bed with each other. What if Jackson did not see himself as an adult, but rather as a child sleeping with another child. Well, of course, if he really were a child we’d see nothing wrong with it. There is much evidence that he did see himself as a child and as I said before, it seems that he never grew up mentally. If he really was mentally a child, then you can’t judge his situation the same as you would someone who was truly an adult. It’s kind of like telling someone with depression to “be happy.” You assume that his intentions were perverted; I say that we really don’t know, but that there is evidence as to why he was with children the way he was. You cannot say certainly that he had sexual desire for children and you cannot say certainly that he actually had sexual activity with children.
What about his singing ‘Billy Jean’ and making those indecent dance moves?
I haven’t seen anyone claiming that he never made mistakes.What about his singing ‘Billy Jean’ and making those indecent dance moves?
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Well I am not about to claim perfection.
I can assure you of that. I agree with you that everyone needs prayers. What I wanted to point out is that we put things in their proper context. I leave it at that.How can you defend the position that a 40 year old man didn’t know it was wrong to lie in bed with children? A statement like that needs EXTRAORDINARY proof.
If that 40 year old man had the emotional maturity of a 10 year old-then maybe he didn’t. We don’t know what his intent was, and the last I checked you have to have intent to have committed a crime.
I knew grandpa when he was older, and although he wasn’t warm and fuzzy, he didn’t act like a big 6 year old. That’s ridiculous. For an adult to lie in bed with a child is not an absolute wrong. Having sex with a child is. Apparently, you believe that humans are completely and totally unable to sleep in the same bed without having sex. That says more about you than Michael Jackson.
Since I never stated it as a fact, but rather as a possibility, it does not need proof. However, you’re assertions that he is a pedophile require a lot of proof as well, of which you have none.
I understand what you are trying to say here, but not everyone is the same. Some people cannot get over things, other people can. That’s like saying because one person was able to recover from childhood abuse from his father, that everyone should as well without any effect. Of course we know that’s not true at all. Also there is a great big difference between post WWI era and the 1960s. I am almost sure that if your typical third grader of today went through what he what he went through, today of course, I am not so sure you could say that they’d deal with it the same way.Some one compared this media coverage to when Elvis died. I was seven years old then. I don’t think cable tv was in existence (or maybe with a very limited number of users) If there was a lot of coverage, it was only on the big three, ABC, CBS, NBC. Maybe some local stations.
The difference is now we have the internet. And cable news and cable entertainment stations.
Funny, when Elvis died, I was just getting to be the age when you realize what death is. I remember feeling so sad for his daughter, and worrying about my own parents. I think that summer Freddie Prinze killed himself also (Remember Chico and the Man?)
Someone mentioned his being eccentric and oddly attached to children on the fact that he didn’t have a childhood. I guess if you become extraordinarily wealthy, you can do that. Other people that I know who also didn’t have a nice idyllic childhood, had to get over it,. My grandfather lost his dad at the age of 18 months in post WWI Italy. He had to leave school after the third grade to go to work. He worked on farms and on construction sites.
They said that his death was much like his life: crazy like a circus.