Pyx/Rosary holder

[twiztedseraph]

Just wondering whether a Pyx that has been used to carry our Eucharistic Lord can be used part time as a Rosary holder, as thats what is came as.

 

[puzzleannie]

absolutely not. it is reserved only for carrying the precious Body of the Lord. also using it for a rosary case would mean carrying it around in one’s pocket or purse, also an abuse. It should be returned to the tabernacle or sacristy as soon as the minister has taken the communion to the sick, and not treated as a common pocket item. a Pyx is not a rosary case.

 

[twiztedseraph]

puzzleannie:

absolutely not. it is reserved only for carrying the precious Body of the Lord. also using it for a rosary case would mean carrying it around in one’s pocket or purse, also an abuse. It should be returned to the tabernacle or sacristy as soon as the minister has taken the communion to the sick, and not treated as a common pocket item. a Pyx is not a rosary case.

I hear and obey.

 

[twiztedseraph]

puzzleannie:

absolutely not. it is reserved only for carrying the precious Body of the Lord. also using it for a rosary case would mean carrying it around in one’s pocket or purse, also an abuse. It should be returned to the tabernacle or sacristy as soon as the minister has taken the communion to the sick, and not treated as a common pocket item. a Pyx is not a rosary case.

Just to clear up a misconception, I bought it in Rome, with the Rosary inside. I had it blessed by HH John Paul II so both were precious to me, only recently reading Canon law, that any vessel used for the Eucharistic sacrifice is reserved to that alone in perpetuity. I still didn’t know what to do as the Rosary isn’t exactly something unholy in my mind, and I rarely take it away from my holy box or altar. After being told this I shall take the rosary out and place it on my altar. May the dear Lord forgive me if I have sinned.

 

[puzzleannie]

I forgive you. in any case nobody sinned, it’s one of those areas nobody tells us about, not like we teach it in CCD. when we train EMHCs to take communion to the sick we instruct them take the pyx directly to the individual, without stopping to chat, eat or anything mundane on the way, then bring it back after the communion service and place it in the proper place in the sacristy. If a person is taking to only one person, such as shut-in mother, they may purchase their own pyx, but it has to be a pyx, designed for the purpose, not just any container. It is blessed, and they usually come with a little purse thing that hangs around the neck.

 

[twiztedseraph]

puzzleannie:

I forgive you. in any case nobody sinned, it’s one of those areas nobody tells us about, not like we teach it in CCD. when we train EMHCs to take communion to the sick we instruct them take the pyx directly to the individual, without stopping to chat, eat or anything mundane on the way, then bring it back after the communion service and place it in the proper place in the sacristy. If a person is taking to only one person, such as shut-in mother, they may purchase their own pyx, but it has to be a pyx, designed for the purpose, not just any container. It is blessed, and they usually come with a little purse thing that hangs around the neck.

Not to nitpick, but I didn’t ask for your forgiveness, just your understanding, unless ofcourse your a Priest, in which case I’d ask for your absolution I keep it in my box full of sacramentals, I do have a purse for it, however it turns the silver seal with John Paul’s picture on it darker. So I try and treat it with respect. I really wish someone had told me about this earlier.

It is a real pyx, conforming to the usual designs. Not just a rosary holder.

 

[tee_eff_em]

twiztedseraph:

It is a real pyx, conforming to the usual designs. Not just a rosary holder.

I have never been an installed EMHC, nor received instruction (and am, perhaps, sticking my nose where it does not belong).

What are the usual designs of a pyx, and how do they differ from the usual designs (if any) of a rosary case?

tee

 

[Chalice]

puzzleannie:

absolutely not. it is reserved only for carrying the precious Body of the Lord. also using it for a rosary case would mean carrying it around in one’s pocket or purse, also an abuse. It should be returned to the tabernacle or sacristy as soon as the minister has taken the communion to the sick, and not treated as a common pocket item. a Pyx is not a rosary case.

1.) There is absolutely nothing wrong with carrying a pyx in one’s breast pocket. A burse can certainly be worn about the neck to hold the pyx but they are not required.

2.) An empty pyx must not reside in the tabernacle or sacristy. Mine is on top of my dresser in my bedroom.

 

[puzzleannie]

twiztedseraph:

Not to nitpick, but I didn’t ask for your forgiveness, just your understanding, unless ofcourse your a Priest, in which case I’d ask for your absolution I keep it in my box full of sacramentals, I do have a purse for it, however it turns the silver seal with John Paul’s picture on it darker. So I try and treat it with respect. I really wish someone had told me about this earlier.

It is a real pyx, conforming to the usual designs. Not just a rosary holder.

just being cute, cannot absolve anybody, sorry if I implied otherwise. if it is a real pyx, why not put it to use, is their a ministry for bringing communion to the sick in your parish? Of course, with its beautiful association with our dear Pope you may wish to keep it preerved as you are doing, how blessed you are to have it. i think there is a special fabric called silvercloth my mom used to have which you can wrap it in to keep it bright. I am quite sure you treat it with respect always, and am sure our dear John Paul is smiling on you.

 

[twiztedseraph]

tee_eff_em:

I have never been an installed EMHC, nor received instruction (and am, perhaps, sticking my nose where it does not belong).

What are the usual designs of a pyx, and how do they differ from the usual designs (if any) of a rosary case?

tee

Much like a pillbox, the pop open circle shaped ones. Rosary case, can be anything. The Pyx is like a “royal limo” for our Lord, so it needs to be both secure and beautiful.

 

[twiztedseraph]

puzzleannie:

just being cute, cannot absolve anybody, sorry if I implied otherwise. if it is a real pyx, why not put it to use, is their a ministry for bringing communion to the sick in your parish? Of course, with its beautiful association with our dear Pope you may wish to keep it preerved as you are doing, how blessed you are to have it. i think there is a special fabric called silvercloth my mom used to have which you can wrap it in to keep it bright. I am quite sure you treat it with respect always, and am sure our dear John Paul is smiling on you.

Too young…I am at the moment a kind of honourary acolyte …LoL

 

[puzzleannie]

I am embarrassed to say I never knew what a pyx was until about 5 years ago, or at least never heard it called by that name, never too old to learn.

 

[twiztedseraph]

puzzleannie:

I am embarrassed to say I never knew what a pyx was until about 5 years ago, or at least never heard it called by that name, never too old to learn.

Some of my friends who have gone through Catholic school with me think the Eucharist is just a memorial …go figure, well as soon as the generation of liberals dies out, the John Paul Generation will take over and herald a new golden age. We can see the effects occuring now, world youth day, a new universal indult for the TLM, and so many other things to place orthodox Catholicism back in the lime light of Christianity where it belongs…Praise be to God!

 

[tee_eff_em]

twiztedseraph:

Much like a pillbox, the pop open circle shaped ones. Rosary case, can be anything. The Pyx is like a “royal limo” for our Lord, so it needs to be both secure and beautiful.

I guess I still don’t understand (though, FTR, I do know what a pyx is)?

A rosary case “can be anything” – Including “much like a pilbox, the pop open circle kind”?

Why are you so sure that the item you bought in Rome with a rosary inside it is a pyx?

(BTW, my wife, who is an EMHC, believes a pyx is not a pyx until it has been consecrated as such and used to reserve the Blessed Sacrament. But I believe that is just her opinion and not authoritative)

tee

 

[twiztedseraph]

tee_eff_em:

I guess I still don’t understand (though, FTR, I do know what a pyx is)?

A rosary case “can be anything” – Including “much like a pilbox, the pop open circle kind”?

Why are you so sure that the item you bought in Rome with a rosary inside it is a pyx?

(BTW, my wife, who is an EMHC, believes a pyx is not a pyx until it has been consecrated as such and used to reserve the Blessed Sacrament. But I believe that is just her opinion and not authoritative)

tee

Because I bought one in Lourdes (don’t ask, it was for my parents) and it was the exact shape of the one in Rome. Also I have been serving for years and seen what Pyx looks like.

 

[tee_eff_em]

So, if someone put two round seemingly precious metal boxes in front of me, and told me that one was a pyx and one was a rosary holder, how would I distinguish the one from the other?

tee

 

[twiztedseraph]

tee_eff_em:

So, if someone put two round seemingly precious metal boxes in front of me, and told me that one was a pyx and one was a rosary holder, how would I distinguish the one from the other?

tee

You couldn’t? The inside of my two pyx’s and the ones I have seen are usually white plastic, so as not to allow any particles to fall out… Aside from that…Basically it wasn’t meant to be a Rosary holder, just a package deal from an italian business man, this I realise in hindsight.

 

[tee_eff_em]

twiztedseraph:

You couldn’t? The inside of my two pyx’s and the ones I have seen are usually white plastic, so as not to allow any particles to fall out… Aside from that…Basically it wasn’t meant to be a Rosary holder, just a package deal from an italian business man, this I realise in hindsight.

Color me dubious.

I have never ever seen nor heard of a plastic-lined pyx, Maybe things are different Down Under?

In my experience, pyxes (pyxen?) are either cast gold or gold-plate. The exterior may be decorated by other metals, enamel and/or gems, but the interior has always been gold. (And my wife, the EMHC, concurs.

The GIRM #'s327-334 lay out the norms for sacred vessels, primarily the chalice, paten and ciborium, but I presume the pyx should conform similarly. Particularly 328:

1. Sacred vessels are to be made from precious metal. If they are made from metal that rusts or from a metal less precious than gold, then ordinarily they should be gilded on the inside.

I welcome correction, should I be mistaken in this presumption.

Are you sure you have bought pyxes, and not rosary cases (from merchants who were either mistaken or deceptive)? Ask your priest.

tee

 

[twiztedseraph]

tee_eff_em:

Color me dubious.

I have never ever seen nor heard of a plastic-lined pyx, Maybe things are different Down Under?

In my experience, pyxes (pyxen?) are either cast gold or gold-plate. The exterior may be decorated by other metals, enamel and/or gems, but the interior has always been gold. (And my wife, the EMHC, concurs.

The GIRM #'s327-334 lay out the norms for sacred vessels, primarily the chalice, paten and ciborium, but I presume the pyx should conform similarly. Particularly 328:

I welcome correction, should I be mistaken in this presumption.

Are you sure you have bought pyxes, and not rosary cases (from merchants who were either mistaken or deceptive)? Ask your priest.

tee

Hmmm, sounds reasonable…yet the ones I have seen conform to what I have said. Also the Priest, who places Our Lord in my Pyx every so often for a sick family member, says nothing. Hmmmm. Also another Pyx, almost exactly like the “rosary holder” which we bought for an acolyte friend is exactly like mine, save for the seal which has a picture of St Peter’s square, not John Paul II.

 

[puzzleannie]

twiztedseraph:

Some of my friends who have gone through Catholic school with me think the Eucharist is just a memorial …go figure, .!

my kids went to Catholic schools, and oldest to Catholic college, one of the best Jesuit schools in the country, to the tune of (then) about 25K clams a year, and none of them believes in the Real Presence, and oldest was told by her priest it doesn’t matter. Where have I failed?