Q for Christians: Why were the Magi looking for Jesus?

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My older sister wrote an interesting article about this subject many years ago, I’m just wondering what all of you think.

Why do you think a group of Magi (singular: mage, meaning magician/astrologer) were looking for Jesus via the Eastern Star?
 
My older sister wrote an interesting article about this subject many years ago, I’m just wondering what all of you think.

Why do you think a group of Magi (singular: mage, meaning magician/astrologer) were looking for Jesus via the Eastern Star?
They knew the prophecies and went to see for themselves.
 
The Scriptures tell us that they knew that Messiah was coming to the earth. They believed that He would be King of Israel. They saw His star in the East, and followed it until they came to Jerusalem. They assumed that He must have been born in the palace, so they went to the palace, and there, they were told by Herod’s scribes that He was to be born in Bethlehem.

So they went to Bethlehem and found Him there. While they were there, they went into the house and gave to his mother gifts of gold, frankincense, and myrrh. And being warned in a dream that Herod intended to kill the child for jealousy (since Herod was not the true King of Israel, but rather a puppet who had been put in place by the Romans) they returned to their home by a different way.
 
I agree with the other posters; The birth of Jesus was foretold in ancient prophecy…

I look into the future,
And I see the nation of Israel.
A king, like a bright star, will arise in that nation… (Numbers 24:17)

And Matthew 2:1-12 shows how this prophecy was fulfilled.
 
My older sister wrote an interesting article about this subject many years ago, I’m just wondering what all of you think.

Why do you think a group of Magi (singular: mage, meaning magician/astrologer) were looking for Jesus via the Eastern Star?
Why, what do you think it means?
 
The Priesthood of the Medes

.The ancient Magi were a hereditary priesthood of the Medes (known today as the Kurds) credited with profound and extraordinary religious knowledge. After some Magi, who had been attached to the Median court, proved to be expert in the interpretation of dreams, Darius the Great established them over the state religion of Persia. (2) (Contrary to popular belief, the Magi were not originally followers of Zoroaster. (3) That all came later.)

It was in this dual capacity, whereby civil and political counsel was invested with religious authority, that the Magi became the supreme priestly caste of the Persian empire and continued to be prominent during the subsequent Seleucid, Parthian, and Sasanian periods. (4)

The Role of Daniel

One of the titles given to Daniel was Rab-mag, the Chief of the Magi. (5) His unusual career included being a principal administrator in two world empires–the Babylonian and the subsequent Persian Empire. When Darius appointed him, a Jew, over the previously hereditary Median priesthood, the resulting repercussions led to the plots involving the ordeal of the lion’s den. (6)

Daniel apparently entrusted a Messianic vision (to be announced in due time by a “star”) to a secret sect of the Magi for its eventual fulfillment. But first let’s review some historical background.

Political Background

Since the days of Daniel, the fortunes of both the Persian and the Jewish nation had been closely intertwined. Both nations had, in their turn, fallen under Seleucid domination in the wake of …

It was at this time that the Magi, in their dual priestly and governmental office, composed the upper house of the Council of the Megistanes (from which we get the term “magistrates”), whose duties included the absolute choice and election of the king of the realm.

It was, therefore, a group of Persian–Parthian “king makers” who entered Jerusalem in the latter days of the reign of Herod. Herod’s reaction was understandably one of fear when one considers the background of Roman-Parthian rivalry that prevailed during his lifetime.

Rome on the Rise

Pompey, the first Roman conqueror of Jerusalem in 63 B.C., had attacked the Armenian outpost of Parthia. In 55 B.C. Crassus led Roman legions in sacking Jerusalem and in a subsequent attack on Parthia proper. The Romans were decisively defeated at the battle of Carrhae with the loss of 30,000 troops, …Nominal Roman rule was reestablished under Antipater, the father of Herod, who, in his turn, retreated before another Parthian invasion in 40 B.C.

Mark Antony reestablished Roman sovereignty in 37 B.C. and, like Crassus before him, Also embarked on a similarly ill-fated Parthian expedition. His disastrous retreat was followed by another wave of invading Parthians, which swept all Roman opposition completely out of Palestine (including Herod himself, who fled to Alexandria and then to Rome).

With Parthian collaboration, Jewish sovereignty was restored, and Jerusalem was fortified with a Jewish garrison.

Herod, by this time, had secured from Augustus Caesar the title of “King of the Jews.” …
The Tensions in Parthia


At this time it was entirely conceivable that the Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament, culminating in the writings of Daniel, …
The Entourage to Jerusalem

In Jerusalem, the sudden appearance of the Magi, probably traveling in force with all imaginable oriental pomp and accompanied by an adequate cavalry escort to insure their safe penetration of Roman territory, certainly alarmed Herod and the populace of Jerusalem.

It would seem as if these Magi were attempting to perpetrate a border incident which could bring swift reprisal from Parthian armies. Their request of Herod regarding the one who “has been born King of the Jews” (7) was a calculated insult to him, a non–Jew (8) who had contrived and bribed his way into that office.

Consulting his scribes, Herod discovered from the prophecies in the Tanach (the Old Testament) that the Promised One, the Messiah, would be born in Bethlehem. (9) Hiding his concern and expressing sincere interest, Herod requested them to keep him informed.

Daniel’s Messianic Role

Living six centuries before the birth of Christ, Daniel certainly received an incredible number of Messianic prophecies…
It is interesting that Daniel’s founding of a secret sect of the Magi also had a role in having these prominent Gentiles present gifts at the birth of the Jewish Messiah.

ldolphin.org/magi.html
 
Dear Hashem,

Those 3 Magi you mentioned represented the whole people in this world. They were portrayed as 3 wisemen. That should be the resemblance that Jesus came for the “wise” people to see. What is wise means? Definitely does not mean intelligent in term of knowledge. A “wise” man, usually would like to search and research. That what we people supposed to be. Keep searching for God.

If you read what that 3 wisemen offered : (a) Gold, (b) Francensence, and (3) Myrh.

What is Gold? Gold is a precious things that human value from history to another history, from culture to culture. That is a resemblance of what we should offer to God. It does not always mean that we must offer real Gold to God. It means that we must offer our precious/the best things we have to God. Please read Mat 22:37 for a good reference, and basically I believe you will agree. Precious things can also means our time. No matter how rich you are, you can only have 24 hours in a day, correct? In that 24 hours of time you have, how much time you are willing to give to God everyday?

What is Francencense?. The Jews uses Francencense for prayer? correct? Yes, Hashem. The RCC used francensence for our ritual too, especially on major celebration. That is what the meaning of offering francensence. We must offer to God, our prayer. Prayer means communication to God. Without prayer, means no communication with God, and far away from God. When you are far away from God, it is Hell already.

What is Myrh? Myrh was a material used to balm a dead body according to Jewish custom, am I correct? We believe that Jesus was myrhed before he was burried. Jesus showed us what his death means something to human being. Now, what would our death means to our fellow human being? Just imagine what would we like other people say about us when we die. What have we done during our life time? so much that our death means that other people losing something. That is what the meaning of offering our death to God.
 
The New Advent (Catholic Encyclopedia) article on the Magi may be of use:

The philosophy of the Magi, erroneous though it was, led them to the journey by which they were to find Christ. Magian astrology postulated a heavenly counterpart to complement man’s earthly self and make up the complete human personality. His “double” (the fravashi of the Parsi) developed together with every good man until death united the two. The sudden appearance of a new and brilliant star suggested to the Magi the birth of an important person. They came to adore him — i.e., to acknowledge the Divinity of this newborn King (vv. 2, 8, 11).

newadvent.org/cathen/09527a.htm
 
I agree with the other posters; The birth of Jesus was foretold in ancient prophecy…

I look into the future,
And I see the nation of Israel.
A king, like a bright star, will arise in that nation… (Numbers 24:17)

And Matthew 2:1-12 shows how this prophecy was fulfilled.
But that prophecy does not refer to Jesus. If you read that text from Numbers in context, you’ll see that.
 
Why, what do you think it means?
My sister researched this, and wrote an article about it even before Morton Smith (a theologian and historian) wrote the book, “Jesus the Magician”.

Her belief is that he was a magician, and that the magi were following the star to find a magician that their own writings had foretold. (Note: the magi were followers of Zoroaster.)
 
What is Myrh? Myrh was a material used to balm a dead body according to Jewish custom, am I correct? We believe that Jesus was myrhed before he was burried. Jesus showed us what his death means something to human being. Now, what would our death means to our fellow human being? Just imagine what would we like other people say about us when we die. What have we done during our life time? so much that our death means that other people losing something. That is what the meaning of offering our death to God.
Um, Jews never embalm our dead. NEVER. We never add any spices to the body either, to preserve it. This is why the NT passage which speaks of the body of Jesus having spices, etc applied always made me chuckle.

This is one thing that Judaism has always been very strict on: we never do ANYTHING to the body except wash it down and wrap it in a shroud with no pockets…then the bodies are placed into a plain, pine unpainted box, or in ancient times, in caves or right into the ground with no coffin.

The idea of applying spices and embalming came from the ancient Egyptians, not the Israelites.

Maybe you can get a better idea now, of why Jews who are very familiar with their religion and what it teaches/does, do not see what you do.
 
Um, Jews never embalm our dead. NEVER. We never add any spices to the body either, to preserve it. This is why the NT passage which speaks of the body of Jesus having spices, etc applied always made me chuckle.

This is one thing that Judaism has always been very strict on: we never do ANYTHING to the body except wash it down and wrap it in a shroud with no pockets…then the bodies are placed into a plain, pine unpainted box, or in ancient times, in caves or right into the ground with no coffin.

The idea of applying spices and embalming came from the ancient Egyptians, not the Israelites.

Maybe you can get a better idea now, of why Jews who are very familiar with their religion and what it teaches/does, do not see what you do.
Unless they could afford it. Myrrh was used by Romans to mask the smell of burned bodies. The Israelites used it before Jesus for burial. It also had medicinal uses.
 
Unless they could afford it. Myrrh was used by Romans to mask the smell of burned bodies. The Israelites used it before Jesus for burial. It also had medicinal uses.
I’m a religious Jew who is very, very familiar with Jewish law, tradition, and history. And I’m telling you that Jews have never used balm or anything of that nature for burial! It has always been a Gentile custom.

We never do anything to preserve or prepare the body, other than wash it with water, wrap it in a shroud with no pockets, and bury it.

This is a VERY ancient method which we have always used, despite what it may say in the NT.
 
I’m a religious Jew who is very, very familiar with Jewish law, tradition, and history. And I’m telling you that Jews have never used balm or anything of that nature for burial! It has always been a Gentile custom.

We never do anything to preserve or prepare the body, other than wash it with water, wrap it in a shroud with no pockets, and bury it.

This is a VERY ancient method which we have always used, despite what it may say in the NT.
In the Old Testament, God instructed Moses to make an anointing oil of Myrrh to use on his brother Aaron, and it was subsequently used for the Israelite high priests to follow.

In the NT Jesus’s body was annointed.
 
In the Old Testament, God instructed Moses to make an anointing oil of Myrrh to use on his brother Aaron, and it was subsequently used for the Israelite high priests to follow.

In the NT Jesus’s body was annointed.
That was for anointing for **prophetical and priestly **purposes, not for burial. The Prophet Samuel also anointed King Saul and King David, but it was while they were alive.
 
That was for anointing for **prophetical and priestly **purposes, not for burial. The Prophet Samuel also anointed King Saul and King David, but it was while they were alive.
I know. Look at this passage - Jesus basically is telling Mary that she is to save the perfume for the day of His burial.

**Jesus Anointed at Bethany **

1Six days before the Passover, Jesus arrived at Bethany, where Lazarus lived, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. 2Here a dinner was given in Jesus’ honor. Martha served, while Lazarus was among those reclining at the table with him. 3Then Mary took about a pinta] of pure nard, an expensive perfume; she poured it on Jesus’ feet and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. 4But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, 5"Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages.**(“http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2012:1-8&version=31;#fen-NIV-26575b")]" 6He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.
7"Leave her alone,” Jesus replied. " It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. 8You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me."

He is identifiying Himseld as royalty, Priest and Prophet.
 
I know. Look at this passage - Jesus basically is telling Mary that she is to save the perfume for the day of His burial.

**Jesus Anointed at Bethany **

1Six days before the Passover, Jesus arrived at Bethany, where Lazarus lived, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. 2Here a dinner was given in Jesus’ honor. Martha served, while Lazarus was among those reclining at the table with him. 3Then Mary took about a pinta] of pure nard, an expensive perfume; she poured it on Jesus’ feet and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. 4But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, 5"Why wasn’t this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year’s wages.**(“http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2012:1-8&version=31;#fen-NIV-26575b")]" 6He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it.
7"Leave her alone,” Jesus replied. " It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. 8You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me."

He is identifiying Himseld as royalty, Priest and Prophet.
That doesn’t mean he was. I could go out in the middle of the town and say the same thing, it doesn’t make it so.

Frankly, that passage confirmed to me what I always suspected: the NT was written partly by nonJews who were unfamiliar with genuine Jewish burial customs…and it was written after Jesus had died as well. For all anyone knows, Jesus never even said that.
 
That doesn’t mean he was. I could go out in the middle of the town and say the same thing, it doesn’t make it so.
I believe that He was; however, for the sake of this discussion with you I will discuss Him as the “historical Jesus” rather than as the Son of God.

If Jesus Himself believed that He was royalty, priest and prophet, and if the people immediately around Him believed this too, then all of this could well have happened. In fact, there is evidence that seems to suggest that this is exactly what happened.
Frankly, that passage confirmed to me what I always suspected: the NT was written partly by nonJews who were unfamiliar with genuine Jewish burial customs…and it was written after Jesus had died as well. For all anyone knows, Jesus never even said that.
And for all anyone knows, it was written by Jews who believed that Jesus came to establish a new covenant that was for everyone in the world, not just for Jews, and which were recording events that deviated radically from normal Jewish custom for a specific reason. I guess those Jews would be your version of heretics, huh? That does explain why Christianity didn’t last long as a sect of Judaism, doesn’t it?

Jesus was a radical. His followers were fanatical and did many things to alienate the Jewish establishment. Why you think that in light of this, all Jewish laws would be strictly adhered to by the first Christians seems kind of strange.

And of course, there is the possibility, however remote it may seem to you, that those early Christians were right.
 
That doesn’t mean he was. I could go out in the middle of the town and say the same thing, it doesn’t make it so.

Frankly, that passage confirmed to me what I always suspected: the NT was written partly by nonJews who were unfamiliar with genuine Jewish burial customs…and it was written after Jesus had died as well. For all anyone knows, Jesus never even said that.
In either case whether or not the Jews did it before, they followed Jesus’ instructions. They did however, obey the Sabbath.

There are other instances where Jesus broke with Jewish tradition. This is nothing new and your argument that the writers were unfamiliar with Jewish customs does not stand. They NT makes it a point to point these out.
 
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