That’s the current meaning, “sake” has also conveyed guilt or cause. I see this meaning in Genesis and also in this:
God had a plan, yes, to deal with our fault, which, yes, He had foreknowledge of. That didn’t mean He wanted it, anymore than He wants you to sin, even though He has provided a way for that sin to be washed away and He may teach you something from your sin.
I wonder if we really could have been made fit for heaven without going through the suffering brought about by Adam’s fall. If God knew that Adam would fall, it seems to me that it wasn’t outside of His will. God gave us free will knowing we would misuse it. He could have created us without free will and avoided all of the problems we find around us. I don’t think the Mormon position is all that different from the Catholic position in regards to this unless we try to make an argument about it. Does that mean that Adam’s fall was a good thing? Not at all. But it seems in some way to have been a necessary thing.
The beautiful words of the Exultent is a recognition that God has found our Salvation necessary.
How can you turn “necessary sin of Adam” into “necessary salvation of Adam”? That doesn’t seem to make sense to me.
Zaffiroborant,
He’s trying to understand the beliefs of a friend. I’m always a little offended when people say “don’t read anything non-Catholic!” It might confuse you! 
That is not what I meant.
As Arundur said, the Exultent is a statement of gratitude. It is not teaching us that sin is necessary.Yes I’ve heard it did you know it’s a verb to?
Yes I’ve heard it did you know it’s a verb too?
It’s obvious that God didn’t desire Adam and Eve to sin. But it is also true that he set up conditions where it was very likely they would sin. There must have been a reason for our good that he allowed this sin to happen – God had the ability to step in and preserve Adam and Eve from sin just as he had the ability to preserve Mary from sin. I think there is a paradox here that may be beyond our ability to understand.That is not what I meant.
We celebrate at Easter our Redemption. It is a very profound acknowledgment that God loves us enough to Sacrifice His Son. We are grateful for this and recognize that the sin of Adam was necessary in order for our Redemption to be necessary.
Mormons take this much further, with an erroneous belief that God desired the sin of Adam and Eve to occur.
The Good is for His purpose, but we know a few things. God desires that we have free will. He created free will in the Garden by creating a choice. You can view the choice as to eat or not to eat. Nothing deeper than that.
I’m heartily and completely glad that an ancestor of mine “blew it,” because the thought of living “the easy life in Eden” is not what I would ever want. I don’t want “the easy life.” No, thank you.Did God plan for the Fall. I don’t believe so. God gave Man free will and most certainly could gave made man from the beginning with the ability to eat from the Tree and not sin. Here is what in all the treads on this I have never heard talked about. No where does it say having this knowledge is a sin. The sin was Their disobedience. He could have said you can eat from all the trees and plants but don’t walk down that path over in the north left of the garden for if you do you will die. Disobeying is the sin not what was done. If we continue down through the Bible in salvation history we see God has continued to give man chance after chance to not disobey. He most certainly could have sent the Son Jesus Christ much earlier that he did. And he could have returned by now if he wanted.
Did God know that man would sin? More than likely yes, but that does not mean it was his plan. God wants us to choose Him and He keeps giving us chance after chance to do so. He gave us a chance for the easy life in Eden and we blow it. I can see nothing in any way that says God planned for the fall I see that after the fall he has continued to present us with chance to choose him. That is mans fall from grace the choosing of something over God. God wanted man to freely choose him so he had to make a law against some thing. He choose the Fruit of that one tree. Adam and Eve choose something over God. I believe that Adam could have and should have looked at Eve and said " Women, what have you done." He should have refused the fruit and Turned to God and said what am I to do now that she ate what you have said not to. I believe If he had done this we would be living in Paradise right Now. For as It says in 4 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. ( in know its a bit of a stretch) but I can make the connection. that Eve could have been redeemed through obedience.
something new to think about anyway as what could have been if Adam had still obeyed.
There is the biggest difference. I see the fall as creating undo hardships. That separated us from the presence of God. How wonderful life would be if God had continued to walk with us as he walked with Adam and Eve in Eden.
Scott,
I agree with what you posted to some one else earlier, we are not speaking the same language. I never said that good hard work was a bad thing. Good physical Labor is good for the soul and mind. What I am saying is that all the sarrow and misery, death and illness, hunger and pain would not be here. All of Gods creation would be working together.
what a crock…Adam should have told Eve i will not eat the fruit. Then when god showed up Adam could tell god what happened, ask God for the wisdom of what to do and follow Gods next instructions. I don’t by the trickery approach that God commanded then not to eat the fruit but really wanted them to.