Question about Condoms in Catholocism

[ChristianKnight]

I take it from this you have never visited a prison? It seems as if it is not very harsh but it is a very scary place to be. Those immates are truly living out their punishments. Don’t take what hollywood would like you “think” of prison life too much to heart. It is not that great.

I have visited a prison. They didn’t like having teenage guys their looking at them, I wouldn’t either. Maybe they have it rough, but then why do they keep committing things and go back to prison?

Hello, ChristianKnight, and welcome.

I see from your profile that you are a Christian. If I may, I’d like to respectfully ask you a couple of serious questions. May I?

The first question is: Do you “practice” your religion rigorously, or, from time to time?

Merry Christmas and
Gob Bless,
JD

How would I “practice” my religion?

 

[JDaniel]

How would I “practice” my religion?

Actually, please allow me to re-state the question: Are you churched and do you participate in any of your church’s ministries, or religious schooling?

Merry Christmas and
God Bless,
JD

 

[ChristianKnight]

Actually, please allow me to re-state the question: Are you churched and do you participate in any of your church’s ministries, or religious schooling?

Merry Christmas and
God Bless,
JD

I am on a Church’s members list if thats what you mean. I go Wednedsay’s, I am not in church ministries or religious schooling. Can’t afford a christian school, and I don’t understand much of church ministries.

 

[mercygate]

I am on a Church’s members list if thats what you mean. I go Wednedsay’s, I am not in church ministries or religious schooling. Can’t afford a christian school, and I don’t understand much of church ministries.

What happens on Wednesdays? Is there some reason you don’t/can’t go on Sundays (assuming the main day of worship is Sunday?)

 

[st_lucy]

I am on a Church’s members list if thats what you mean. I go Wednedsay’s, I am not in church ministries or religious schooling. Can’t afford a christian school, and I don’t understand much of church ministries.

do you follow your Christian beliefs. It is not enough to call yourself a Christian. You most live as Christ.

 

[ChristianKnight]

What happens on Wednesdays? Is there some reason you don’t/can’t go on Sundays (assuming the main day of worship is Sunday?)

Youth Group, usually, but lately they did a christmas program, but I just went to the adults study group cause I cannot stand little kids.

Not really, I just don’t go. Usually I am still asleep from a late night, or we might be fixing fence or something of that sort.

 

[siamesecat]

A theological opinion is just that, an opinion. Contemporary theologians cannot even agree with each other. No Christian Church condoned contraception prior to 1930. Did Christ fail to mention something and it took one thousand nine hundred and thirty years to realize it? I think not…teachccd

But there are a ton of things that were not considered socially acceptable until the mid-late 1900s. Racial and gender equality are the first that come to mind. I’ve always wondered why it took so long for people to realize what Jesus “really wanted”…I get accused of moral relativism, but it does seem that what “Jesus wants” gets interpreted differently by every culture to suit their needs.

 

[jmcrae]

I never said it was ok for them to do it, but I’d rather them use a condemn then get a kid, and lose their chances of going to college to follow their dreams.

Sex outside of marriage has worse consequences than pregnancy or STDs, and those consequences are just as likely to thwart a young person’s future, regardless of whether or not they use a condom.

For example: low self-esteem results from feeling used as a sex object (which is what you are, when you have sex outside of marriage - the person is not thinking of you as someone that they hope to have chidren with, or grow old with, but just as a means of stress relief) - and it’s the main reason for people dropping out of school and giving up on their dreams.

 

[ChristianKnight]

Sex outside of marriage has worse consequences than pregnancy or STDs, and those consequences are just as likely to thwart a young person’s future, regardless of whether or not they use a condom.

For example: low self-esteem results from feeling used as a sex object (which is what you are, when you have sex outside of marriage - the person is not thinking of you as someone that they hope to have chidren with, or grow old with, but just as a means of stress relief) - and it’s the main reason for people dropping out of school and giving up on their dreams.

Sex outside of marriage is not as bad as a STD if you ask me. I mean, you can die from a STD. Spiritually, yes it would be worse.

 

[jmcrae]

Sex outside of marriage is not as bad as a STD if you ask me. I mean, you can die from a STD.

I think you misread what I wrote. STDs are one of the consequences of sex outside of marriage. (And yes, they can kill you, and those that don’t kill you are extremely inconvenient - itchy, sore, painful, disfiguring, and causing various mental illnesses.)

Another consequence of sex outside of marriage is pregnancy.

By the way, condoms only reduce the risks of these consequences; there is still some risk of pregnancy and/or STDs, even with condoms.

But even if the condom is 100% effective, it can’t prevent low self esteem.

It also can’t prevent inappropriate expectations (some women think that sex is a prelude to a marriage proposal; boy do they ever get disappointed! and some men think sex is a prelude to the woman moving in and doing his housework for him, without getting married - they are often in for a big disappointment, too) - and basic things that condoms can’t help you with are the long cold walk home to try to get home before your parents wake up so that they don’t ask you where you were all night, and having to put on your dirty underwear after you shower, because you don’t have a change of clothes with you (because of that “spontaneity” thing), and they can’t help you with what to say to your girlfriend when she starts to get annoying, and you want to break up with her, but you’ve been having sex and she thinks you’re going to ask her to marry her (and she’ll either kill you or herself when she finds out that you don’t even like her, really, all that much; you only went with her because she was “easy.”)

 

[ChristianKnight]

I think you misread what I wrote. STDs are one of the consequences of sex outside of marriage. (And yes, they can kill you, and those that don’t kill you are extremely inconvenient - itchy, sore, painful, disfiguring, and causing various mental illnesses.)

Another consequence of sex outside of marriage is pregnancy.

By the way, condoms only reduce the risks of these consequences; there is still some risk of pregnancy and/or STDs, even with condoms.

But even if the condom is 100% effective, it can’t prevent low self esteem.

It also can’t prevent inappropriate expectations (some women think that sex is a prelude to a marriage proposal; boy do they ever get disappointed! and some men think sex is a prelude to the woman moving in and doing his housework for him, without getting married - they are often in for a big disappointment, too) - and basic things that condoms can’t help you with are the long cold walk home to try to get home before your parents wake up so that they don’t ask you where you were all night, and having to put on your dirty underwear after you shower, because you don’t have a change of clothes with you (because of that “spontaneity” thing), and they can’t help you with what to say to your girlfriend when she starts to get annoying, and you want to break up with her, but you’ve been having sex and she thinks you’re going to ask her to marry her (and she’ll either kill you or herself when she finds out that you don’t even like her, really, all that much; you only went with her because she was “easy.”)

Read the rest of my post?

That is why I said a lot of girls take the pill.

I do not see where the low self-esteem comes in with that.

To the rest, um, I don’t get where that goes, but umk.

 

[jmcrae]

Read the rest of my post?

That is why I said a lot of girls take the pill.

I do not see where the low self-esteem comes in with that.

Because they are turned into sex machines, instead of people. The pill makes it so that the boy doesn’t have to even like the girl - he just has to like having sex with her.

To the rest, um, I don’t get where that goes, but umk.

There’s a lot more to sex than just the act itself. It has a huge influence on the relationship itself, and also on your relationships with everyone else - your parents, your friends, etc. (That’s why it’s supposed to be reserved for marriage - which is a life-long relationship - rather than for dating, which tends to be short-term.)

 

[ChristianKnight]

Because they are turned into sex machines, instead of people. The pill makes it so that the boy doesn’t have to even like the girl - he just has to like having sex with her.

There’s a lot more to sex than just the act itself. It has a huge influence on the relationship itself, and also on your relationships with everyone else - your parents, your friends, etc. (That’s why it’s supposed to be reserved for marriage - which is a life-long relationship - rather than for dating, which tends to be short-term.)

Eh, I do not think having sex before marriage automatically makes you a sex machine.

Yes, I am gonna try my best to wait until marriage.

 

[JDaniel]

I am on a Church’s members list if thats what you mean. I go Wednedsay’s, I am not in church ministries or religious schooling. Can’t afford a christian school, and I don’t understand much of church ministries.

Whenever you go, do you ever hear any talk of what is cinsidered to be God’s greatest work? Or, if not, do you have an opinion of what His greatest work might be?

Please bare with me; I know this seems like torture:blush:

Merry Christmas and
God Bless,
JD

 

[ChristianKnight]

Whenever you go, do you ever hear any talk of what is cinsidered to be God’s greatest work? Or, if not, do you have an opinion of what His greatest work might be?

Please bare with me; I know this seems like torture:blush:

Merry Christmas and
God Bless,
JD

No, Not really. I do not think a certain work was better then the other.

 

[JDaniel]

No, Not really. I do not think a certain work was better then the other.

Would you think that “creation” ranks up there with His best works?

JD

 

[ChristianKnight]

Would you think that “creation” ranks up there with His best works?

JD

No, cause I think all he does is great. Why would I want to measure it?

 

[JDaniel]

No, cause I think all he does is great. Why would I want to measure it?

Well, I know you’re young and you just might have homework to do tonight, so, with your permission, I’ll spare you the suspense.

When you get a chance, open a Bible and read the first paragraphs of Genesis. If you have time, read as much of it as you can. You see, the Catholic Church still believes what Christianity believed for nearly 2,000 years. And that is, that God’s creation is His single most important and greatest work.

Now, I know, and so do you, that He does many great things. But, just think, how did all of this come about. Through His single act of creation. An act that He was exceedingly satisfied with. And the purpose of us.

Sometimes, our Church seems strange to us, in these days. So strange that it actually believes that your participation in His creation is as important as His creation of the entire universe. In fact, it considers the act of baby making (creation) on the same level as the edict against killing an unborn baby. As I said, strange!

It is so strange that a Catholic cannot select the use of contraception rather than take an unborn baby’s life if the GF gets pregnant! Can you believe that? But, it’s true. That is why it is soo important to the Church that we put our self-control on steroids. That we take our self-control to the gym and make it work out with us. That we push it to new personal results.

For me, it’s a little easier, as I’m a tad older than you. For you, it’s a nightmare. I was where you are now. But, we are human beings, not beasts of the fields. The act of sex, the participation with God in the creation of new life, what an incredibly difficult calling out. I don’t envy you one bit.

It’s easy to give in to the desire. It doesn’t take much strength at all to make a baby. Real strength is where one takes the proper steps to make the baby and sustain its life after its birth. This requires marriage. This requires a supreme commitment. This requires back up from family (both families).

Sex is not a “practice sport”. Think things through. Pray on it. Remind your friends of this. You WILL all be in my prayers tonight.

Merry Christmas and
God Bless you,
JD

 

[ChristianKnight]

Well, I know you’re young and you just might have homework to do tonight, so, with your permission, I’ll spare you the suspense.

When you get a chance, open a Bible and read the first paragraphs of Genesis. If you have time, read as much of it as you can. You see, the Catholic Church still believes what Christianity believed for nearly 2,000 years. And that is, that God’s creation is His single most important and greatest work.

Now, I know, and so do you, that He does many great things. But, just think, how did all of this come about. Through His single act of creation. An act that He was exceedingly satisfied with. And the purpose of us.

Sometimes, our Church seems strange to us, in these days. So strange that it actually believes that your participation in His creation is as important as His creation of the entire universe. In fact, it considers the act of baby making (creation) on the same level as the edict against killing an unborn baby. As I said, strange!

It is so strange that a Catholic cannot select the use of contraception rather than take an unborn baby’s life if the GF gets pregnant! Can you believe that? But, it’s true. That is why it is soo important to the Church that we put our self-control on steroids. That we take our self-control to the gym and make it work out with us. That we push it to new personal results.

For me, it’s a little easier, as I’m a tad older than you. For you, it’s a nightmare. I was where you are now. But, we are human beings, not beasts of the fields. The act of sex, the participation with God in the creation of new life, what an incredibly difficult calling out. I don’t envy you one bit.

It’s easy to give in to the desire. It doesn’t take much strength at all to make a baby. Real strength is where one takes the proper steps to make the baby and sustain its life after its birth. This requires marriage. This requires a supreme commitment. This requires back up from family (both families).

Sex is not a “practice sport”. Think things through. Pray on it. Remind your friends of this. You WILL all be in my prayers tonight.

Merry Christmas and
God Bless you,
JD

I am really but umk, stick with celibacy till married is the theme. No homework, no school, and I am not going to school tommorrow, cause my mom doesn’t want me riding a bus on ice roads.

 

[Rolltide]

Let me try to explain this a different way.

Many people have problems with Catholic morality. They see it as “too hard” or “over the top”. Why, oh why can’t they just loosen the rules just a little bit to fit the “real world”? The problem is that most people think that Catholic morality works in the same way that civil law does. It does not.

When our country creates a law, we write them to the lowest possible standards. In other words, what is the minimum number of rules we can live with without society breaking down? We are concerned with providing “freedom” to do what we want, even if others don’t agree with it. If we have a problem with a law, often times we change it. Sometimes things are decriminalized. For example, in some places, things like euthanasia (mercy killing), some types of drugs, and prostitution are now legal. We might not personally agree with some of these things being legal, and in fact, we may think they are outright wrong. Yet, society legalizes it, because “people are going to do it anyway”.

This is NOT how Catholic morality works. Catholic morality is written to the highest conceivable standard! In other words, if society was absolutely perfect, what would the rules be? Catholic morality is the ideal. It is SO tough, that it is essentially impossible for the world to live up to it. Some individuals of course will, but an entire society will most likely fail. So… why write the rules so tough? Because it’s the ultimate goal! It’s what God wants us to shoot for! As an example, for Catholics, it is absolutely a sin for someone to have sex before marriage. With regard to morality, that’s all the further we need to go. If you’re having sex outside of marriage, you’re sinning. Condoms don’t even enter the question because you shouldn’t be committing the sin in the first place. Catholic morality cannot even ASK the question “yeah, but what if they do it anyway”? If they do, they’ve sinned. The ONLY answer that can be given is “Stop doing it”. How can a Catholic say, “ok, but if you’re sinning anyway, then here’s a way that we can let you continue to sin and get away with it without the consequences”?

In the real world, most people live somewhere between the two extremes. We usually think that there are certain laws that need to be changed because they are too strict, and yet we also fail to completely live up to God’s law.