You said, “Sodomite is a fairly broad term. Strictly speaking it means much more than just anal sex.”
I would like to get married, it would be considered a ‘homosexual’ marriage, yet my partner and I are celibate. I am sure this is not common, but I know more than one couple like ourselves. Sex isn’t the be all, end all of a relationship.
well if you’re not actively engaging in the homosexual lifestyle you could actually become full members of the Catholic Church…in the Church there is a group called “Courage” made up of people who have not yet been able to divest themselves of the desire…but have given up the lifestyle
Courage has nothing for me, I’ve tried to join them before.
What is “homosexual lifestyle”? Does that include shopping for rainbow flags at Macy’s? What is “sex performed in accordance with natural law”? Does that include alfresco sexual activities?
Sweden has forsaken God’s Laws. Pray for them.
if you are capable of the marital act with a member of the opposite sex you can get married but you must be open to the possibility of new life…pray to God that He finds a way to cure you of your infertility…either directly by miracle or by working through countless members of the medical profession
by homosexual lifestyle I mean the sexual activities homosexuals engage in…and for humans sex performed in accordance with natural law is sex with your natural sex partner (meaning heterosexual sex) performed within the bonds of marriage and is open to the gift of new life…and no it doesn’t include alfresco activities…us humans are more civilized than to put our procreative activities on public display…now for animals alfresco sexual activities are quite natural…but not for humans…for humans this is a private affair
By the same token, when you refer to heterosexual lifestyle you must mean the sexual activities heterosexuals engage in, like oral and anal intercourse, I guess.
That must exclude any sterile relationships, since whatever they do they’ll be closed to the gift of new life…
Where in the Bible does it say you cannot procreate outdoors? If you are in a house with no ceiling, where you can see the sky, the sun, the moon/stars, does that count as public or private? Does it need to be in a specific room? Can it be in the kitchen, the bathroom or the entrance hall? Can it happen with both partners standing or do they need to lie down? Can it happen directly on the floor or does it need to be on top of something, like a table, an armchair or a bidet? Assuming both partners can shower together, can it happen in the shower? Are there any rules regulating sexual positions, like man on bottom and woman on top? Can you procreate with the lights on or do they need to be off? Can you have your socks on or do they need to be taken off? Can you do that in front of animals, like dogs, cats or spiders?
Those acts are only licit if they are part of foreplay leading to a completed conjugal act…depending on whom you speak with about it. Some Catholics teach that they can’t be done at all.
Nope. “Openness to life” does not mean ability to bring forth new life. Those who are naturally sterile (e.g. past the age of menopause) can still be technically “open to life.” As long as you aren’t using artificial birth control, then you aren’t “closed to life.”
Sterile relations cannot technically procreate without some form of help or technology. The same applies to gay relations. You can see and treat them differently, but the end result is the same. It seems to me that some people can go to any extent to justify the exclusion of the scapegoat of the day.
Seems to me you just don’t understand Church teaching on the matter. Read the Catechism, educate yourself, and then try again.
A better option would be to read the original biblical manuscripts in the original languages, and try to understand the original intentions and worldview, without interference from all the distorted and accumulated ideologies developed over thousands of years of many different interpretations and misinterpretations. And this must be made on a personal level. All the rest is just a game of follow the leader, whoever the leader of the day happens to be.
Go ahead…I thought you were trying to argue against the Catholic understanding, since you are on a Catholic forum. For that, it is a little quicker to start with the Catechism.
This is similar to the Protestant method, although theirs does rely on a translation of the original manuscripts, so they claim.
Ever heard of the towns Sodom and Gommorha from which the term sodomy came from?
That is your opinion, of course. There is nothing based on the Constitution, Natural Law, etc. that says we "MUST."A human right? no I wouldn’t say so, but if they allow straight people to marry, government MUST let gay people marry as well, as both as consenting adults.