Question about Gay Marriage

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RobertLGarrett said:
That is your opinion, of course. There is nothing based on the Constitution, Natural Law, etc. that says we "MUST."
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Not entirely, if you look at it from my view point, it’s discrimination if they don’t and the constitution clearly states that all men are created equal:shrug:

But…you are right also, if it’s from your view point.
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I say we completely abolish the institution of marriage(at least in the eyes of government) and just do civil unions.
 
Teen4Christ said:
A human right? no I wouldn’t say so, but if they allow straight people to marry, government MUST let gay people marry as well, as long as both are consenting adults.🙂
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You forget that gay people CAN marry. No one is preventing a homosexual from marrying, provided he/she follows the same requirements as any other citizen.
 
PRmerger said:
You forget that gay people CAN marry. No one is preventing a homosexual from marrying, provided he/she follows the same requirements as any other citizen.
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I’ve seen this happen, many times. Then the husband or wife ends up crushing under the stress. The marriage cracks, the children are torn apart, traumatized or worse.

I had an uncle (He wasn’t a blood relation, just a friend of dad’s that we called uncle) who came out as gay. He wanted to keep the marriage for love of the children Instead, eventually his wife dumped him, and because he was gay, the court gave her total custody.

He hung himself about two days after the court laid judgment.
 
pathia said:
I’ve seen this happen, many times. Then the husband or wife ends up crushing under the stress. The marriage cracks, the children are torn apart, traumatized or worse.

I had an uncle (He wasn’t a blood relation, just a friend of dad’s that we called uncle) who came out as gay. He wanted to keep the marriage for love of the children Instead, eventually his wife dumped him, and because he was gay, the court gave her total custody.

He hung himself about two days after the court laid judgment.
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A very sad story…he obviously shouldn’t have married, even though he had the freedom to. It doesn’t change the truth of PRmerger’s statement.

Also, people of the same sex can get married or have a “commitment ceremony.” No one is stopping them. The real question is whether that relationship should be sanctioned by the government.
 
RobertLGarrett said:
A very sad story…he obviously shouldn’t have married, even though he had the freedom to. It doesn’t change the truth of PRmerger’s statement.

Also, people of the same sex can get married or have a “commitment ceremony.” No one is stopping them. The real question is whether that relationship should be sanctioned by the government.
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If there is no government sanction we can be denied insurance, hospital visitation rights, property rights, security, peace of mind.

None of that exists with a ‘commitment ceremony’ and the legal minefield to duplicating it with generic legal paperwork is a living nightmare.
 
pathia said:
If there is no government sanction we can be denied insurance, hospital visitation rights, property rights, security, peace of mind.

None of that exists with a ‘commitment ceremony’ and the legal minefield to duplicating it with generic legal paperwork is a living nightmare.
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This sometimes happens when you want to have something that is not a natural right. As I have said before, all of your list except “security” and “peace of mind”…whatever that means…can be accomplished without changing the definition of marriage and/or creating a “civil union.”

Reality is, every time you dig deeper, those legal protections are not enough for many who are pushing for “gay marriage.” They are red herrings. They want their relationships to be considered equal. There is no reason societally for us to consider those relationships as equal to a marriage.
 
RobertLGarrett said:
This sometimes happens when you want to have something that is not a natural right. As I have said before, all of your list except “security” and “peace of mind”…whatever that means…can be accomplished without changing the definition of marriage and/or creating a “civil union.”

Reality is, every time you dig deeper, those legal protections are not enough for many who are pushing for “gay marriage.” They are red herrings. They want their relationships to be considered equal. There is no reason societally for us to consider those relationships as equal to a marriage.
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I would very much like to not have my family sweep in when I am unconscious and have my partner arrested, thank you very much.

And no, they’re not easy to do other ways, not in the slightest. THAT is the red herring. I have tried for over eight years to duplicate legal rights, but to no avail. One way or another they’re unraveled. They’re also only good for ONE state. I have to get new paperwork every time we move, sometimes they’re only good for a particular CITY.
 
pathia said:
I would very much like to not have my family sweep in when I am unconscious and have my partner arrested, thank you very much.
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What in the world does that have to do with “Gay Marriage??” :confused:
 
pathia said:
Because he wouldn’t leave my side.
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Yeah…I’m sure that there is a law somewhere that allows police to arrest someone for not leaving another person’s side. :rolleyes:

Please tell me what law the arrest is based on and how redefining marriage is required to change it, or just admit it was a silly comment on your part.
 
RobertLGarrett said:
Yeah…I’m sure that there is a law somewhere that allows police to arrest someone for not leaving another person’s side. :rolleyes:

Please tell me what law the arrest is based on and how redefining marriage is required to change it, or just admit it was a silly comment on your part.
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There is, when a homosexual is in the hospital, their lover in many cases is not permitted to be by their side
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RobertLGarrett said:
Yeah…I’m sure that there is a law somewhere that allows police to arrest someone for not leaving another person’s side. :rolleyes:

Please tell me what law the arrest is based on and how redefining marriage is required to change it, or just admit it was a silly comment on your part.
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He had no legal right to be there. My family wanted to make the medical choices. He wanted to be there with me.

As far as the law and the hospital were concerned, he was trespassing.
 
Teen4Christ said:
There is, when a homosexual is in the hospital, their lover in many cases is not permitted to be by their side
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Ah…thank you. I wish pathia had been clear in her post.

The laws for hospital visitation can be changed. I do think that an individual should be able to decide if someone else is allowed to visit them when they are in the hospital in the event of illness. There is no need to change marriage to accomplish that goal.
 
Teen4Christ said:
There is, when a homosexual is in the hospital, their lover in many cases is not permitted to be by their side
:mad:
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This can happen in the case where a person is not able to articulate for themselves, be their own gaurdian, etc. etc. However unfair it may seem, and however sad it may for the people involved, it is not a sufficient reason to change the definition of marriage under law (the definition of marriage in God’s eyes is impossible to change, by the way).
 
RobertLGarrett said:
Ah…thank you. I wish pathia had been clear in her post.

The laws for hospital visitation can be changed. I do think that an individual should be able to decide if someone else is allowed to visit them when they are in the hospital in the event of illness. There is no need to change marriage to accomplish that goal.
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No without being abused. You have to have an overall arching contract for any hospital or government to make any legal sense of the matter. The level of conflicting contracts/rights/issues you would have by selectively changing various things is exactly why simply writing up contracts with a lawyer is a bloody nightmare.
bookgirl32 said:
This can happen in the case where a person is not able to articulate for themselves, be their own gaurdian, etc. etc.
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It has happened to me four times now. My solution was to move so far away from my family, that I would wake up by the time they got to see me. I am hospitalized 2-3times a year (I am not a healthy person, God saw fit to seat me with many crosses) and thus it is unavoidable.
 
bookgirl32 said:
This can happen in the case where a person is not able to articulate for themselves, be their own gaurdian, etc. etc. However unfair it may seem, and however sad it may for the people involved, it is not a sufficient reason to change the definition of marriage under law (the definition of marriage in God’s eyes is impossible to change, by the way).
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No one knows how god himself defines marriage
 
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