Question about Gay Marriage

[sedonaman]

So I should not have the right to dictate my desires in medical situations? The rights of my family trump my own personal rights of self determination? You seem to be forgetting that not everyone is on good terms with their family. What if the family was abusive? Would their rights be supreme, even when they’re abusive?

And you seem to be forgetting the question which is whether hospitals and families can limit who visits to an incoherent patient, not whether you get to decide your desires in medical situations. If you are incoherent, you probably wouldn’t even know if there was someone there you didn’t like.

Besides that, what does it have to do with the overall question about whether sodomites should be allowed to marry? The Catholic Church says it is an intrinsic evil, and I agree with it. If you don’t agree with the Church, you have a moral obligation to find one that is more in line with your beliefs; that’s a lot easier than trying to change a 2000 year old institution. As I stated in an earlier post, we cannot tailor a society to satisfy 300 million people 100 percent of the time. What if gay ex-nuns with a foot fetish wanted the “right” to federal funding for their sandals? Face it: your case [if it is true, and I have serious doubts] is way out at the 15th beta limit.

 

[pathia]

And you seem to be forgetting the question which is whether hospitals and families can limit who visits to an incoherent patient, not whether you get to decide your desires in medical situations. If you are incoherent, you probably wouldn’t even know if there was someone there you didn’t like.

Medical situations can be covered and declared before the incoherent causing event occurs via living wills, power of attorney etc. From what I am seeing, you are saying the family should be able to override all medical decisions and legal declarations done beforehand by same sex partners, because family is family and trumps the right of all contract law.

That is what I take umbrage with. If that is not what you are saying, then I was mistaken and I apologize.

Also, if you look at my profile I list myself as a former/lapsed catholic.

 

[sedonaman]

Medical situations can be covered and declared before the incoherent causing event occurs via living wills, power of attorney etc.

Then why do we have to overturn our whole society just to force a hospital to let in a visitor not in your family? This whole issue is a faux issue and based on outrageous, bogus claims fabricated to obtain sympathy.

From what I am seeing, you are saying the family should be able to override all medical decisions and legal declarations done beforehand by same sex partners, because family is family and trumps the right of all contract law.

Talk about taking one data point and extrapolating a whole universe. Where did I ever use the word “override”? Nobody wants to keep you from having any visitor you want, to prevent you from making your own medical decisions, or anything else like that. We just don’t see any of it as a justification for sodomite “marriage” when what you want can be obtained “via living wills, power of attorney, etc.” Absent those "living wills, power of attorney, etc.", a hospital has to have reasonable rules to follow, rules to comply with the law.

Also, if you look at my profile I list myself as a former/lapsed catholic.

Then why are you trying to change Catholicism? Why do you want to make Catholicism like other religions that offer plenty of other choices for you? It’s like I want a Chevrolet and go to the Ford dealer and demand he sell me a Chevrolet; and when he refuses, I go to the government to get a law passed saying he has to … when all along there is a Chevrolet dealer just down the street.

"What started as a demand for basic civil rights has mutated into a Leftist demand to overturn the whole society, along with its traditions and norms, its standards and laws, its history and heroes.”

 

[pathia]

Then why are you trying to change Catholicism? Why do you want to make Catholicism like other religions that offer plenty of other choices for you? It’s like I want a Chevrolet and go to the Ford dealer and demand he sell me a Chevrolet; and when he refuses, I go to the government to get a law passed saying he has to … when all along there is a Chevrolet dealer just down the street.

When did I ever state I wanted to change Catholicism? You are putting words and motives into my statements that simply aren’t there.

 

[maggiemay2u]

Easier said than done.

You’ll have to provide something that says where you live, POA is not a simple legal process, as it is everywhere else. The only situations that would prevent it from being allowed, to my knowledge, would be if the persons involved were deemed mentally unfit to enter into such an agreement or fraud.

 

[sedonaman]

When did I ever state I wanted to change Catholicism? You are putting words and motives into my statements that simply aren’t there.

You have been advocating sodomite “marriage”, and Catholicism is against it. If you are not trying to change Catholicism, why are you on this site?

 

[pathia]

You’ll have to provide something that says where you live, POA is not a simple legal process, as it is everywhere else. The only situations that would prevent it from being allowed, to my knowledge, would be if the persons involved were deemed mentally unfit to enter into such an agreement or fraud.

I cannot provide my living location. It is not that I don’t trust the folks here, but this is a public forum, anyone can view it even non-members.

And, declaring me mentally unfit is exactly how my POA keeps being undone. I do have a institutional history, though it was quite some time ago. I do not have the financial and legal resources that of our families, thus always lose the case when they get me declared unfit to have consented to a contract.

 

[Teen4Christ]

You have been advocating sodomite “marriage”, and Catholicism is against it. If you are not trying to change Catholicism, why are you on this site?

Maybe to learn about religion? maybe for friendly debate? maybe out of frustration? to educate people? maybe because she is religious? there are alot of potential reasons

 

[maggiemay2u]

I cannot provide my living location. It is not that I don’t trust the folks here, but this is a public forum, anyone can view it even non-members.

And, declaring me mentally unfit is exactly how my POA keeps being undone. I do have a institutional history, though it was quite some time ago. I do not have the financial and legal resources that of our families, thus always lose the case when they get me declared unfit to have consented to a contract.

Sorry, doesn’t cut it. No one would have to know unless you told them about it. It is SIMPLE. It can be done online. If you want, you can have it completed/filed in a court record by a paralegal.

Your concern is that you need one IN CASE you’re hospitalized, right? Once you or your friend have a legally binding document in hand, the hospital would have to comply.

Following your logic for a moment…If your family is soooooo powerful it can get you declared incompetent at will, then sadly for you, you would never be allowed to marry, regardless of state law.

As an aside, in a previous thread you said you had a gun permit. Please tell me how that happened in light of your revelation of prior mental incapacitation? Not meaning to sound snarky, but since 1968 this has been the law, I do believe.

 

[pathia]

As an aside, in a previous thread you said you had a gun permit. Please tell me how that happened in light of your revelation of prior mental incapacitation? Not meaning to sound snarky, but since 1968 this has been the law, I do believe.

You are correct, but I was considered incapacitated when I was a minor, I have no history of it after I became an adult.

 

[sedonaman]

Maybe to learn about religion? maybe for friendly debate? maybe out of frustration? to educate people? maybe because she is religious? there are alot of potential reasons

What would you think my motives were if I went to a Jewish website and advocated eating pork, or worshipping Ba’al?

BTW, you never answered my question about truth.

 

[maggiemay2u]

You are correct, but I was considered incapacitated when I was a minor, I have no history of it after I became an adult.

Not wanting to belabor this, but what section exempts minors’ records from being used. I must have missed it. It is my understanding, and reading of federal gun statutes that there is no sealing of mental illness records for the purpose of gun ownership.

 

[pathia]

Not wanting to belabor this, but what section exempts minors’ records from being used. I must have missed it. It is my understanding, and reading of federal gun statutes that there is no sealing of mental illness records for the purpose of gun ownership.

Almost everything from an underage person is sealed away at 18. Unless you’re talking about a multiple homicide or something like that I think.

Besides, the reason why I was institutionalized was my transsexuality. As soon as I was in, and alone and we discussed the situation, they took me out and put me in with a normal councilor, who my parents quickly canned and put me back into religious based therapy.

From what I’m reading, only certain mental health episodes disqualify you, not all. I am guessing my episode isn’t one of them, because they did do alot of background checks on me

 

[maggiemay2u]

pathia;4601733**:

Almost everything from an underage person is sealed away at 18.

Not true for federal gun statutes, I believe.

Besides, the reason why I was institutionalized was my transsexuality. As soon as I was in, and alone and we discussed the situation, they took me out and put me in with a normal councilor, who my parents quickly canned and put me back into religious based therapy.

From what I’m reading, only certain mental health episodes disqualify you, not all. I am guessing my episode isn’t one of them, because they did do alot of background checks on me

Then I return to my former point that you can legitimately designate a power of attorney. Obviously the folks who you previously stated had you disqualified as mentally incompetent didn’t succeed, or you couldn’t have the gun permit. You can’t have it both ways.

 

[pathia]

Then I return to my former point that you can legitimately designate a power of attorney. Obviously the folks who you previously stated had you disqualified as mentally incompetent didn’t succeed, or you couldn’t have the gun permit. You can’t have it both ways.

There is very poor communication of mental health records to the NICS. I suspect maybe I shouldn’t be able to get a gun, but I do. There was legislation that fixed this, but the incidents occurred before that law went into effect. As far as I am aware, the federal ban is only implemented if you are released and not given a clean mental bill of health. I was, and it was stated I wasn’t even mentally unstable in the first place. What they pulled in the hospital instance was the initial entrance paperwork, not the release.

 

[maggiemay2u]

There is very poor communication of mental health records to the NICS. I suspect maybe I shouldn’t be able to get a gun, but I do. There was legislation that fixed this, but the incidents occurred before that law went into effect. As far as I am aware, the federal ban is only implemented if you are released and not given a clean mental bill of health. I was, and it was stated I wasn’t even mentally unstable in the first place. What they pulled in the hospital instance was the initial entrance paperwork, not the release.

Then I return to my former point that you can legitimately designate a power of attorney…now…regardless of the past.

BTW, the federal laws regarding mental illness,from 1968, would have included anyone seeking a gun permit after that day. Gun permits, I do not believe are lifetime affairs, and have to be renewed.

 

[benedictus2]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Seuss
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don’t matter and those who matter don’t mind.

I like your quote from Dr Seuss. Be who you are. The big question is WHO ARE YOU? You have to answer that before you can BE WHO YOU ARE.

And this is where people get so many things wrong.

The Bible says were are created in the Image of God. Genesis says male and female He created them. Christ says Be Holy as Thy Father is Holy. Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit hence must not be defiled.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

I have been trying to get health insurance since I was 18. I cannot. They all deny me based on one of my pre-existing conditions.

Until now you’ve been trying to sell us that the reason you can’t get insurance is your homosexuality. Now you tell us you have pre-existing conditions. I have no doubt you know everyone with pre-existing conditions is routinely denied insurance coverage unless strict conditions are attached. Homosexuality has nothing to do with it.

Homosexuality has been generally accepted in this country for over 40 years. Isn’t it time you quit the martyr routine? It’s really getting tiresome and has long been fundamentally dishonest.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

You’ll note that in my post I said, “families that will be a benefit to society”. I, personally believe that children raised by two Fathers or two Mothers are going to need a lot of** help **from society…

Let’s set the rules here, okay? No one on this planet has two mothers. No one on this planet has two fathers. Everyone on this planet has one mother and one father. One of each – no exceptons.

This lie homosexuals are pushing on 5 year old kids must not be condoned. It’s brainwashing in its classic form.

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

Really, I recently read a study that said otherwise(i’l see if I can find it) and that they are every bit as normal and as successful as those with straight parents.

There are a lot of “studies” that support the various elements of the homosexual agenda. They’re ALL written by homosexual activists. You have no point to make with that one.