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Yes, it always comes down to moral relativism. People have a way to justify incorrect behavior.
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Kevin42
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You and your partner will be in my prayers. My apologies for assuming your partner and you were engaged in sexual relations. Peace and good.
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NoMoreGames
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Thank you. I honestly appreciate it. God (quite literally) knows i need themYou and your partner will be in my prayers. My apologies for assuming your partner and you were engaged in sexual relations. Peace and good.
Also, thank whoever gave me the reference to the book. I’m looking in to it.
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iamme
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are you seriously trying to use a study from THIRTY years ago to justify your opinions on civil policy TODAY?
they also wore bell bottoms in the seventies, and jack tripper was a beloved american…
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stbruno
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Read the entire link, the studies are from the 21st century. Posted after 2001, 2004, 2005 etc. but they include older studies from the 90’s as well.
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NoMoreGames
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Regardless of when they were taken from, or how true they are, what relevance does it have to the honest couples who want nothing more than to spend the rest of their lives together out of love, not for the benefits? See my other post on this.
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sedonaman
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Homosexuals themselves say they suffered more intolerance in the past than now, hence the places where they go to meet are far more numerous and open today. So what makes you think homosexuals are more “monogamous” now than then, considering there are so many more opportunities to find more partners, and less social stigma, than thirty years ago? Andrew Sullivan is one of the more conservative homosexual advocates, and even he says a monogamous relationship is not what homosexuals want. A marriage without monogamy is not a marriage. What they do want is validation for their acts. This requires the heterosexual population to abandon their convictions. Homosexuals do not have a right to demand that.
C’mon. This is a false analogy, and you know it. You cannot compare fashion trends with human behavior.
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JEANNIEMAC
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Homosexual groups managed to gain control of the sex education classes in our schools. Read your children’s text books and see how they are being brainwashed into accepting all manner of sexual immorality as being normal.
The book, “None Dare Call It Education” tells of how the public school education system was ifiltrated years ago by radical leftists who are determined to dumb down our citizens, making them unprepared for any job save that determined by the state. Part of their activty is to undermine the moral fiber of our children and thus make them weak in character and more amenable to being taken care of by Big Brother. When I was a catechist teaching public high school students I found that public grammar school graduates could hardly read at all, while parochial grammar school graduates read easily. The difference? The radicals changed the method of teaching reading in the public schools to the “look-say” method from the phonics method. The parochial schools chose to stay with the phonics method.
Our children are being trained in the ways determined by the state. It would be a good idea to rescue your children and homeschool them.
Otherwise, our nation is headed down the road to socialism.
The book, “None Dare Call It Education” tells of how the public school education system was ifiltrated years ago by radical leftists who are determined to dumb down our citizens, making them unprepared for any job save that determined by the state. Part of their activty is to undermine the moral fiber of our children and thus make them weak in character and more amenable to being taken care of by Big Brother. When I was a catechist teaching public high school students I found that public grammar school graduates could hardly read at all, while parochial grammar school graduates read easily. The difference? The radicals changed the method of teaching reading in the public schools to the “look-say” method from the phonics method. The parochial schools chose to stay with the phonics method.
Our children are being trained in the ways determined by the state. It would be a good idea to rescue your children and homeschool them.
Otherwise, our nation is headed down the road to socialism.
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Polaris
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I’m guessing you are talking about Andrew Sullivan of the Atlantic whom I believe is married? I wonder if he cheats on is wife?
Well Fred phelps a conservative christian says God hates Fags. So I guess he speaks for all Christians when he says that. Makes sense, does it not, according to your logic?
I only know monogamous gay couples. If they are so rare and no gay people exist that want monogamy, how come there is such a high concentration of a people that should not exist, in the middle of Cajun Louisiana?
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sedonaman
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The Andrew Sullivan who is the editor of The New Republic.
catholic.com/library/gay_marriage.asp
How do you know your friends are monogamous? Are you with them 24/7/365?
Additonal reading:
“Finally, ‘Straight Talk’ From the Homosexual Agenda”
by Austin Nimocks
townhall.com/columnists/AustinNimocks/2008/10/20/finally,_straight_talk_from_the_homosexual_agenda
"What started as a demand for basic civil rights has mutated into a (Leftist) demand to overturn the whole society, along with its traditions and norms, its standards and laws, its history and heroes.”
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Exactly! It is disgusting and shows how far down the wrong road some states and our country, the USA, have gone since we have to even discuss such a thing as this. When sodomy was decriminalized in California, we were told it would never come to this. Now we know–pornograpic behavior in public and worse in some cities. Not all homosexuals do that, but enough to make it absolutely sickening.
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Polaris
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I will look him up and see what he said in context, but I will remind you that just because a person is a gay conservative does not mean he represents or speak for all gays, which was the point I was making with Phelps.
To answer you second question:
So how do you know your husband or wife is faithful? Are you constantly with them. It doesn’t make much sense because of the statistics. They can lie to you to after all.
But how can I know, well I’m friends with them, we talk, I know there pasts and we have developed a concept foreign to some called trust. I know a lot of the troubles they have had and have in there relationship, infidelity is not one of them, laziness is hehehehehe. One completely saved themselves till they met there partner while the other partner had “non contact” relations with 2 people. Another couple has been together over 60 years after meeting in a flower shop before a blind date. 60 years does not happen in an open relationship. I know how they feel about there partners, what they think about sex and what the point of there relationship is. They are going through a lot of trouble to lie to me and set up a whole complete and consistent image for someone who probably wouldn’t be phased by open. Also one of those couples are my best friends. They became that because they feel and talk about each other the same way I felt about my wife. Plus you should hear them describe the southern decadence festival as an absolutely disgusting amoral collection of animals that destroy the image of the silent majority of decent homosexuals that just want to live there lives.
You get them started it is hilarious. If you thought they were just friends you guys would get along.
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stbruno
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amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879736909/thecatholicpages
There is a book written from the perspective of a gay man.
Called Beyond Gay…worth reading.
There is a book written from the perspective of a gay man.
Called Beyond Gay…worth reading.
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sedonaman
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So a leader has to speak for all in order for his statement to be true? If Andrew Sullivan is conservative and admits homosexuals in general don’t want monogamy, what would liberal homosexual leaders say?
This is not the same question. You said your friends were monogamous, and I asked how do you know. A comparable question is how do I know my friends are monogamous, and the answer is I don’t.
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sedonaman
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They have to perpetuate the species somehow, don’t they?
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Polaris
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Do you want me to post some liberal gay columnists who say gays want monogamous marriages or are they lying because they are liberal in your eyes.
I gave a full reason following what a good friendship should be like a marriage were you discuss things, everything.
You dont? Than you don’t have any friends do you? That is sad.
Most friends talk about their personal lives. I’m guessing your friendships are shallow at best and are based on dominance rituals and center meaninglessly over sport statistics with a brain and emotions addled on alcohol. Like most straight men and as straight man I can say that because for a majority of that is true. Is that a better anoalogy. I feel sorry for you because I know that they don’t sleep around, because they are my friends, which means something more than how many beers I can kick back in five minutes.
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sedonaman
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Looks like you’ve reached the point of Godwin’s Law, AKA, reductio ad Hitlerum. Let me end this exchange by saying that anyone who believes sodomy is a right and should get society’s validation needs some psychiatric help.
From “The Writings of George Washington From The Original Manuscript Sources, 1745-1799;” John C. Fitzpatrick, Editor:
“Head Quarters, V. Forge, Saturday, March 14, 1778: At a General Court Martial whereof Colo. Tupper was President (10th March 1778) Lieutt. Enslin of Colo. Malcom’s Regiment tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; Secondly, For Perjury in swearing to false Accounts, found guilty of the charges exhibited against him, being breaches of 5th. Article 18th. Section of the Articles of War and do sentence him to be dismiss’d the service with Infamy. His Excellency the Commander in Chief approves the sentence and with Abhorrence and Detestation of such Infamous Crimes orders Lieutt. Enslin to be drummed out of Camp tomorrow morning by all the Drummers and Fifers in the Army never to return; The Drummers and Fifers to attend on the Grand Parade at Guard mounting for that Purpose” [Emphasis in the **original].
theamericanview.com/index.php?id=761
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Polaris
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theamericanview.com/index.php?id=761
Um your the one who started with saying I don’t know my friend’s and that they are liars. Yeah you started it and I continued it. Immature I agree accept for one thing, Did you notice how i said analogy, that’s basically linking that comment back to Andrew Sullivan, but unfortunately I don think you caught that. Oh well you good try.
Validation of Sodomy needs Psychiatric help? Well last time I checked all the major Psychological societies agree in its normalization. Where do you get you ideas of mental health? From, a society which does not provide peer reviewed reseach and has failed to produce any results, Yeah sorry argue from your faith not from the sciences.
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Polaris
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Also I thought I would give you another Gay conservatives thoughts.
I’m not yet sure what to make of Andrew’s remarks. At first blush, they suggest (to me at least) that Andrew is not serious about marriage because real marriage includes monogamy at its core. If one enters into a marriage, one does so expecting to remain faithful to his beloved. If a lapse occurs later, it doesn’t suggest that the “lapser” was hypocritical at the time of his betrothal, but merely proved imperfect in the execution of his intent.
That said, those of use who believe in marriage should insist that marriage means monogamy. When we enter into such relationships must strive, do everything in our power to live up to the monogamous ideal, but also recognize that we’re human and capable of failure.
From the Gay patriot. I think that this represents the gays I know.
Sorry the link. gaypatriot.net/2006/06/01/hypocrisy-marriage-andrew-sullivan-monogamy/
My “lying” friends like this guy.
I’m not yet sure what to make of Andrew’s remarks. At first blush, they suggest (to me at least) that Andrew is not serious about marriage because real marriage includes monogamy at its core. If one enters into a marriage, one does so expecting to remain faithful to his beloved. If a lapse occurs later, it doesn’t suggest that the “lapser” was hypocritical at the time of his betrothal, but merely proved imperfect in the execution of his intent.
That said, those of use who believe in marriage should insist that marriage means monogamy. When we enter into such relationships must strive, do everything in our power to live up to the monogamous ideal, but also recognize that we’re human and capable of failure.
From the Gay patriot. I think that this represents the gays I know.
Sorry the link. gaypatriot.net/2006/06/01/hypocrisy-marriage-andrew-sullivan-monogamy/
My “lying” friends like this guy.
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Polaris
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hmmm I found this interesting, from andrew sullivan. Im a little confused by him but here is an article by him where he says:
(Straight men would be far more promiscuous, I think, if they could get away with it the way gay guys can.) Many gay men value this sexual freedom more than the stresses and strains of monogamous marriage (and I don’t blame them). But this is not true of all gay men. Many actually yearn for social stability, for anchors for their relationships, for the family support and financial security that come with marriage. To deny this is surely to engage in the “soft bigotry of low expectations.” They may be a minority at the moment. But with legal marriage, their numbers would surely grow. And they would function as emblems in gay culture of a sexual life linked to stability and love.
time-blog.com/daily_dish/homosexuality.php?artnum=20010813
I’m trying to find the article where he say gay men who want to marry dont believe in monogamy. If I find it I will post it.
(Straight men would be far more promiscuous, I think, if they could get away with it the way gay guys can.) Many gay men value this sexual freedom more than the stresses and strains of monogamous marriage (and I don’t blame them). But this is not true of all gay men. Many actually yearn for social stability, for anchors for their relationships, for the family support and financial security that come with marriage. To deny this is surely to engage in the “soft bigotry of low expectations.” They may be a minority at the moment. But with legal marriage, their numbers would surely grow. And they would function as emblems in gay culture of a sexual life linked to stability and love.
time-blog.com/daily_dish/homosexuality.php?artnum=20010813
I’m trying to find the article where he say gay men who want to marry dont believe in monogamy. If I find it I will post it.
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