Question about Jews, Muslims, and God

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edtaylor51 said:
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Moses wasn’t a polytheist
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Moses did not worship any God but Yahweh, however at that time Jews did not necessarily deny the existence of other gods. In fact his wife was a Midian, who were in fact polytheists. It would be more accurate to say Moses, lke most Jews of his time, practiced monolatry - the worship of one god without denying the existence of other gods. they believed Yahweh was the best god.
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I never heard that before about Moses. As you were saying that I was thinking of the 613 Mosaic laws . Could you give references for your points, properly referenced of course. Thanks in advance
 
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It’s well established in religious scholarship. All three rabbis I personally know have said as much, but you can check the references section of this Wikipedia article Monolatry - Wikipedia

The El/Yahweh merger is an interesting topic for sure.
 
Muslim- God had no son
Christians- God had one and he was part of the trinity
Jews (if pharasaic) are still awaiting the messiah
and, according to the Good Friday rite, “they are the first to hear God’s word”
“Ex ecclesia nullus salvus” spelling? Hey, let God be the judge!
 
I clearly said to check the references section of Wikipedia, which are scholarly articles and books. Wikipedia is like the Russians during the 80s - trust, but verify.
 
Odilon said:
Yeah, but Mohammed claims to be speaking for his Allah, so we must take him at his word. The Koran is littered with violence towards others at every turn, violence, not love. My God Jesus speaks of love, therefore my God and Mohammed’s Allah are not the same and I cannot understand why the Catholic Church says they are.
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I could say the same substituting certain Evangelical Protestant groups for Mohammed here. Just because someone gets details wrong doesn’t mean the whole story is false. Westboro Baptist has ideas about God that I definitely don’t agree with, but I still think they’re referring to God (even though they don’t seem to know him very well).
Edy said:
Jesus talked to the same God as the Jews?

This is a confusing subject
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Why wouldn’t Jesus talk to His Father? What’s confusing about this?
 
I’m sorry, but I cannot see that. There is one true God, all the others are fakes - or the evil one in disguise.
 
Odilon said:
I’m sorry, but I cannot see that. There is one true God, all the others are fakes - or the evil one in disguise.
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Are you suggesting that Jews worship a ‘fake’, or the ‘evil one in disguise’, merely because - like Muslims- they are not Trinitarians?

All three peoples- Jews, Christians and Muslims - worship the One God, for there is only One. What differs is their perception of His nature. This is no small matter, of course; but a difference of perception is really all it is.
 
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All the fleas riding the elephant have a different name for it and a different idea of what the elephant is. But, there is still just one elephant.

There is an interesting matter pertaining to the Jews. After the destruction of the temple, their religion changed radically as there was no more Jewish priesthood. Some argue that Catholicism is actually the continuation of temple Judaism, while the present-day Judaism is a different religion altogether.
 
ontheway1 said:
All the fleas riding the elephant have a different name for it and a different idea of what the elephant is. But, there is still just one elephant.
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Exactly.

Two fleas left a West End theatre after a particularly good show. The husband turned to his wife and said: ‘Shall we hop home, darling, or shall we go by dog?’
 
Niblo, there is still Jewish priesthood. Certainly in Orthodox Judaism. Though I think no longer in Reform Judaism. In Orthodox Judaism, priesthood continues, but the priests have little role today, mainly some priestly blessing. But they have to observe the laws, like marriage laws, specific to priests. And they have a role by being in reserve for the time when the temple will be rebuilt, then they will have a huge role again. So the priestly line needs to be preserved. When surnames were assigned, the priests often got the name Cohen, which means priest.
 
What I was trying to say, in a rather imprecise way, was that current Judaism has no temple for worship. If there are still “priests” they do not perform worship rituals to Yahweh. The Catholic Mass, some maintain, continues that Jewish tradition, after the temple has been destroyed. This also raises the question about the connections between the temple and modern Jewish practices.
 
edtaylor51 said:
I clearly said to check the references section of Wikipedia, which are scholarly articles and books. Wikipedia is like the Russians during the 80s - trust, but verify.
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“Verify” I buy that.

Here is a source they referred to. “Judaism 101” http://www.jewfaq.org/

For years that’s the source I referenced when researching Judaism.

The left column titled “Most popular pages” is very instructive about Judaism.

For those Jews who follow the religion, which loosely are less than 1/2 practice the faith. More than 1/2 are secular and don’t even believe in God.

For those who practice the faith here’s the 613 Mosaic laws http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm beginning with how they view God.
 
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No. Jews continue to worship the God of the OT, the same one Jesus constantly referenced during His ministry here on earth.
 
We shall all find out at some point. Your prophet was just that, a prophet - one among many. Jesus on the other hand was God Incarnate on this earth and that is the difference.
 
Odilon said:
No. Jews continue to worship the God of the OT, the same one Jesus constantly referenced during His ministry here on earth.
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Are you suggesting that the one you call the ‘God of the OT’…the God that Jesus - a Jew - worshipped…is no longer God?
 
Odilon said:
Jesus on the other hand was God Incarnate on this earth
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I find it quite strange that although Christians claim that Jesus had two natures, one fully divine and the other fully human, they do not attribute everything they believe to be human to his human nature, namely original sin. This is because they refuse to attribute to “God incarnate”, that which is hateful to God. Yet, why attribute anything unfitting to God at all? Why say He took on a human nature? Throughout the Bible there are innumerable examples of the Prophets speaking in symbols, parables, metaphors, etc. Yet the Christians have taken the literal meaning of Jesus’ words and have built their doctrine of hypostatic union upon it.
 
Of course not. He as we Christians see it has now taken on the personhood of the Holy Trinity. He has remained the Father as he always was, but now has taken on the additional reality of being God Incarnate on this earth in the person of Jesus Christ, plus the Holy Spirit - the “all truth” who remains near us for our benefit.
 
Why say “He took on a human nature you ask”? So He, the Creator can experience this life as we who must come here do. In that way He can more fully understand what this existence on earth completely entails and thus can offer Judgement more adequately. He has gone from being just the separated aloof Creator above us all, to one that joins us with Him through Jesus Christ.
 
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Odilon said:
In that way He can more fully understand what this existence on earth completely entails and thus can offer Judgement more adequately
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This heavily implies that God was imperfect in His knowledge/wisdom/judgement, prior to the incarnation.
 
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