Question about "pro-life"

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Did I say kill babies or are you just putting words in my mouth??
 
You’re now seemingly saying death is a bad thing, when before you were saying life was a bad thing because we suffer?

So life is bad AND death is bad?

Are you saying complete nonexistence would be best?

Or is this all just an excuse to blame God because you feel bad about something?
 
Hmmm. If death were ‘the end’ you might have a point.

If death on earth is the gateway to life eternal in heaven (and this is given as a free choice, we don’t have to ‘earn it’) then death on earth is comparable to a child being born. The child goes from total reliance on the mother, in a small dark space, to an existence where he or she is separate yet cared for, where he or she learns how to breath, walk, talk, master skills, etc., and then when the mortal body begins to fail that person, through death, leaves this earth for the infinite. So we go from a good (the womb) to a better (life on earth) to the best (heaven.)

What kind of God do we worship? I believe in One God, the Father Almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth, First Person of the Trinity, whose Second Person is the God-made Man Christ Jesus, and whose Third is the Holy Ghost. Who made us to know Him, Love Him, and to serve Him with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength, and to love our neighbors as ourselves.

Can’t really think of a better God to worship.
 
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Like what?? Your faith? Believing in your god?
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Uh, how about love, marriage, being someone’s child or parent?

My mother died. That doesn’t mean I’m still not happy to have been her child, and happy remembering the good times we shared, and all she taught me.

My husband died. That doesn’t mean I’m now not happy to have been his wife and had a nice long relationship with such a good man and made so many memories.

There are boatloads of atheists who find lasting happiness in life through their relationships, their work, the good they feel they can do for other people and the world.
 
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“I don’t mean to be personal, but this sounds like someone who is suffering from depression.”

Oh for goodness sake, it’s not depression. I noticed Catholics call a lot of things “depression”.

It’s called observation. Have you ever done that? Just so you know, not everything is "depression ".
 
It was a reasonable question because your viewpoint is so extreme, the atheists I know wouldn’t even buy into it.

The stuff you’re asking seems to be less about Catholicism and more about just a generally bleak view of the world.
 
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This is true, and it is hardly a Catholic or even Christian concept. It is accepted by most if not all world religions. Those who are not religious would likely accept it as a fact of life.
 
This seems extraordinarily myopic. Many people suffer greater than we do and I would hope you would object to the extermination of them.
 
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My question is, why are Catholics so pro-life? Can’t they see and recognize the troubles and stresses life brings?
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Because the only alternative is to be pro-death. To live in Christ is to die to self. I find this question especially troubling, considering the amount of people who are aborted because of physical deformity.
 
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Like what?? Your faith? Believing in your god?
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Love gives me joy, not just the love I experience myself today, but also the love I see in the world, the love I have experienced in the past like the love of my mother who died long ago, and the love of God.

Music often gives me joy.

The order and beauty I see in nature (I’m a scientist), even order in the disorder. This, by the way, reinforces my faith, to see God’s hand in the world, in nature, in human hearts and human society and history. I expect you to say “What about disease and war?!” Yeah, you’re looking at the glass half empty, I’m looking at the glass half full.
 
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What if someone was suffering from an incurable, horrible disease and the only end to the anguish was dying? Catholics would object to that, would they not?
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Our Lord suffered from the first moment of His Incarnation to His last breath on Good Friday. As Catholics, we have the opportunity to unite our sufferings with His and offer them up in satisfaction for our sins and the sins of others.
 
We are responsible for how we use life potential given by the Creator.
An easy, carefree and self-centered life is too pathetic for a man.
Over time, you can turn into a bunch of lusts of laziness.
I believe that the will should be tempered from childhood, such as sports from an early age, playing music, and so on.
Children grow up responsible, and are not afraid of difficulties, for they are hardened by self discipline.
In the future, they learn to be responsible for their family and raising their own children.
Large families often have moderation and humility, they are often happy and on a minimal budget.
This is because for these families, vulgar contentment with life is simply not reasonable and pitiful.
But before answering such questions, it is very appropriate to answer the question, who are we? Why do we live in this life? Does life have a Creator?
If we realize the Creator, His natural and moral properties, then it will be easier for us to understand His will in relation to our life.
 
@ChocolateCake, in order to understand the catholic view on living even a painful/excruciating life, you’ll need to take a deep dive into their views on redemptive suffering. Whether you agree with it or not, it explains their views. They strongly believe that all life is a gift from God and human meddling in the life itself is not theirs to command. They have no problems with trying to ease the suffering but the life itself is a decision from God.

Just a helpful hint from another outsider that does understand their reasoning even if I don’t agree with it.
 
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their views on redemptive suffering. Whether you agree with it or not, it explains their views.
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Catholic here! I don’t completely understand the Catholic view of redemptive suffering. I have a satisfactory (to me) intellectual understanding based on the concept of being joined to Christ, physically and spiritually, through his humanity and the Eucharist. If I ever have to bear excruciating suffering, I’ll report back here on the emotional and visceral aspects!
 
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