Question about Protestant beliefs

[Sgt_Sweaters]

+JMJ

Learning about Our Lady of Guadalupe, becoming convinced of the truth of the apparition, is what kicked off my tumble into Catholicism.

 

[Anima_Christi]

ChiFaithful:

Do protestants believe that Our Lady of Fatima, Our Lady of Guadalupe, or Our Lady of Lourdes are real? Do they discount them?

My mother is a nominal Protestant and I have heard her say before that she belives in Fatima and Lourdes. (I think she knows about them from those old movies they made about them). My grandmother is also a somewhat nominal Baptist and I assume she believes in Lourdes–she visited the Lourdes shrine with my dad and uncle in the 1950s when my grandfather was stationed in France and has a painting of Lourdes hanging in her house.

 

[12volt_man]

ChiFaithful:

Do protestants believe that Our Lady of Fatima, Our Lady of Guadalupe, or Our Lady of Lourdes are real? Do they discount them?

I’m Baptist, which is technically not considered to be Protestant, but I personally believe that they’re the product of hypersuggestability, group think, and a sense of heightened expectation.

For everything that God can produce, Satan can produce a cheap counterfeit. If these experiences are real, then that’s what I believe that they are.

Of course, we know that the Bible strictly forbids contact with the dead and seeking after the dead for information.

As with anything, the messages given should be judged in light of scripture.

On that same note, what do protestants think about the stigmata?

Don’t believe in it.

Finally, have any protestants ever had any situations where they saw Mary or received the stigmata?

No.

 

[tjmiller]

Define “the dead”.
Those who have gone before us in faith are far more alive than are we.
If I am forbidden to ask the dead for their prayers, then I certainly ain’t asking you.

 

[12volt_man]

tjmiller:

Define “the dead”.

I mean the dead in the sense that the Bible condemns praying to the dead.

Those who have gone before us in faith are far more alive than are we.

No, they have died.

 

[tjmiller]

Chapter and verse:
where does the Bible condemn praying to “the dead”?
It does not.
Scripture shows us that “the dead” are very much alive, and praying for us.
Or are they just sitting up on clouds, eating grapes and playing harps? Selfish buggers.

 

[12volt_man]

tjmiller:

Chapter and verse:
where does the Bible condemn praying to “the dead”?
It does not.

Actually, it does in the book of Exedous.

Scripture shows us that “the dead” are very much alive, and praying for us.

No, scripture shows that the dead are dead.

Whether you believe that they’re praying for us isn’t the point. The point is that we are not to pray to them.

 

[tjmiller]

Chapter and verse, please.

Don’t waste your time.
It isn’t there.

You are far more dead than are they.

 

[Sgt_Sweaters]

12volt_man:

I’m Baptist, which is technically not considered to be Protestant…

What history book are you reading?

 

[12volt_man]

What history book are you reading?
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“Protestants” came out of the Reformation. Baptists and Anabaptists can trace our heritage back to the NT, long before the Reformation.

 

[Mickey]

“Protestants” came out of the Reformation. Baptists and Anabaptists can trace our heritage back to the NT, long before the Reformation.

Can you provide sources and historical evidence of this?

 

[12volt_man]

Mickey:

Can you provide sources and historical evidence of this?

Yes, I can, but that is off topic and I have been asked to stick to the topic.

 

[catsrus]

Being raised a protestant, I’d never heard of any apparition or the stigmata. Then, at about 18 or 19, I saw “The Song of Bernedette” and was awestruck! Though I did not come into The Holy Catholic Church till I was past 50, I never doubted any of the apparitions or the stigmata that were approved by Rome after seeing the aforementioned movie and reading about the subject.

originally posted by 12volt_man
“Protestants” came out of the Reformation. Baptists and Anabaptists can trace our heritage back to the NT, long before the Reformation

You made this same statement on on the thread “will you be in Heaven”. You make the statement but provide no proof or historical documentation. Either do so or please cease with this claim.

 

[catsrus]

originally posted by 12volt_man
Yes, I can, but that is off topic and I have been asked to stick to the topic.

Then please start a new thread on this particular claim and do not insert it into a thread on apparitions and stigmata where it becomes a non sequitur.

 

[Eden]

“Protestants” came out of the Reformation. Baptists and Anabaptists can trace our heritage back to the NT, long before the Reformation.

I would participate in a thread about the heritage of Baptists and Anabaptists tracing back to the NT. Will you start a thread please?

 

[ChiFaithful]

12voltman, if you don’t believe in the stigmata, can you please explain more than “don’t believe in it.” For example, what about it do you not believe in? So, and I won’t take offense so please tell me, were Padre Pio, St. Francis of Assisi and others simply liars in your opinion? What about the tests that were done on Padre Pio? Have you ever read anything about it or do you just have a disclaimer of nonbelief?

 

[Mickey]

Eden:

I would participate in a thread about the heritage of Baptists and Anabaptists tracing back to the NT. Will you start a thread please?

I started the thread here:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=100322

 

[12volt_man]

12voltman, if you don’t believe in the stigmata, can you please explain more than “don’t believe in it.” For example, what about it do you not believe in?

I don’t believe that there is any scriptural evidence to suggest that God communicates to us by causing sores to magically appear on someone’s hand.

So, and I won’t take offense so please tell me, were Padre Pio, St. Francis of Assisi and others simply liars in your opinion?

No, I don’t believe that they were liars, but I do believe that it’s very common in Roman Catholicism for legends and personality cults to grow up around revered dead people.

 

[Eden]

12volt_man:

I don’t believe that there is any scriptural evidence to suggest that God communicates to us by causing sores to magically appear on someone’s hand.

So you don’t believe there is any scriptural evidence for miracles?

 

[12volt_man]

Eden:

So you don’t believe there is any scriptural evidence for miracles?

Of course I do. I just don’t believe that there is any scriptural evidence that God communicates to us by causing sores to magically appear on someone’s hand.