Question about same sex "relationships"? SSA in general

[hausofferni]

Okay this is something that I’m wondering about. I know the church wants people with same sex attraction to stay chaste and abstinent, but what about those people who don’t see themselves in that life. I mean if you walk into a gay hang out place or gay club, and told them “hey the church loves you, we just want you to stay single, chaste and be abstinent”, how are they supposed to take that? Is it fair that they cannot share love with another human being?? I’m not sure if I’m making myself clear, but there are people who just don’t see themselves living alone in a house with no one else to love and support them, they need someone else. Does the church not know what to do with people with same sex attraction? Would it ever in the future change its laws?? What do you all think should happen or is going to happen? Could a same sex relationship with no sex even exist? It seems so easy to tell someone that they should be chaste and single and abstinent etc, but usually, it’s a married man or woman who says this, someone who has no idea about living or conforming to this. What is the church going to do about people with same sex attraction? I hope I don’t sound like I’m attacking the church, but from what I’ve read it seems like everyone just keeps trying to shut people with SSA up. Thoughts and opinions?

 

[zamyrabyrd]

Okay this is something that I’m wondering about. I know the church wants people with same sex attraction to stay chaste and abstinent, but what about those people who don’t see themselves in that life. I mean if you walk into a gay hang out place or gay club, and told them “hey the church loves you, we just want you to stay single, chaste and be abstinent”, how are they supposed to take that? Is it fair that they cannot share love with another human being?? I’m not sure if I’m making myself clear, but there are people who just don’t see themselves living alone in a house with no one else to love and support them, they need someone else. Does the church not know what to do with people with same sex attraction? Would it ever in the future change its laws?? What do you all think should happen or is going to happen? Could a same sex relationship with no sex even exist? It seems so easy to tell someone that they should be chaste and single and abstinent etc, but usually, it’s a married man or woman who says this, someone who has no idea about living or conforming to this. What is the church going to do about people with same sex attraction? I hope I don’t sound like I’m attacking the church, but from what I’ve read it seems like everyone just keeps trying to shut people with SSA up. Thoughts and opinions?

There is probably no need to retrace the same threads that deal with this subject exhaustively, so you could look them up.
I will say that this quote turned out to be true for me:
*“Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart”. *Psalm 37-4
Desires that come from trauma and abuse are ultimately destructive as there is the element of hurt and even revenge, not love. To repeat what started out as molestation is only compounding the problem and making it worse. This is the basis of most addictive behaviors, thinking that further indulgence is the medicine when it is just the opposite.
God can only want what is healthy and good for His children. When we align our will to His, we also want what is the best for us and others.

 

[at9009]

Okay this is something that I’m wondering about. I know the church wants people with same sex attraction to stay chaste and abstinent, but what about those people who don’t see themselves in that life. I mean if you walk into a gay hang out place or gay club, and told them “hey the church loves you, we just want you to stay single, chaste and be abstinent”, how are they supposed to take that? Is it fair that they cannot share love with another human being?? I’m not sure if I’m making myself clear, but there are people who just don’t see themselves living alone in a house with no one else to love and support them, they need someone else. Does the church not know what to do with people with same sex attraction?

As a resident guy with SSA, I’ll guess I’ll give my perspective.
One of the most frustrating things is how love in our culture is now synonymous with sexual romantic relationship. I think what would help the most would be our society (especially Christian culture at large) realize the tremendous important and life affirming love in friendships (John 15:13 anyone?) rather than overemphasize and almost idolatrize romantic love within marriage.

The church doesn’t say people with SSA cannot have love or love. I just can’t love within the context of a sexual relationship (since marriage to a woman isn’t likely possible for me). It does kind of suck, but we all have crosses to bear.

Could a same sex relationship with no sex even exist? It seems so easy to tell someone that they should be chaste and single and abstinent etc, but usually, it’s a married man or woman who says this, someone who has no idea about living or conforming to this.

There is no reason two people with SSA can’t have a chaste relationship. Now it depends on the person and in some cases it might not be prudent, but if both are committed to the faith and chastity, I don’t see why not.

It can be frustrating to hear a married person talk about celibacy, but I’m sure some people are sometimes annoyed when priests give marriage advice and counseling.

I hope I don’t sound like I’m attacking the church, but from what I’ve read it seems like everyone just keeps trying to shut people with SSA up. Thoughts and opinions?

I see that from some people. I try to understand it as fatigue and frustration. It can be exhausting with two hyperpolarized sides constantly trying to basically destroy each other (as in very anti-religion activists and some very political Christian groups who are hostile to SSA individuals). I’m not really out about my SSA so I’m kind of insulated, and it can be frustrating at time to feel like a political football/pawn between two sides.

One thing that bothers me is in some circles I feel like it’s almost mandated that I keep quiet (not that it should come up that often in conversation anyway) about my cross and struggles (so that I can be ignored and pretend that I actually don’t exist which can feel kind of isolating) while others can talk openly about and receive support with their crosses and burdens. But it is what is, and I’ve found support in my celibate vocation in other places.

 

[Sneaux]

As someone who used to live life as a lesbian, it’s a step by step whole conversion process. When you first hear it, it seems a tad ridiculous and yeah, you think “Who are you to tell me how to live my life?” If you’re going to tell someone the Church’s teaching on same sex attraction, you also have to be willing to explain our beliefs on marriage and sex, and be able to back it up, because otherwise it sounds like “Well, you just can’t, the Church says you can’t, because gay people are gross.” You have to explain, marriage is a sacrament, back it up, the Church’s teachings on sex and how it’s not strictly for pleasure, and should never be misused. Someone who’s gay and an atheist will probably not take a word seriously, of course, but someone who is a believer might take it to heart, it will at least make them think, but you have to be patient, of course. Most protestants aren’t as…compassionate towards gays as Catholics are, most protestants believe it’s strictly a choice, so when a Christian talks to a gay person, that’s what the gay person expects to hear. It took me a long time to embrace church teaching, but I finally did. I have had a few Catholics and other Christians come to me with SSA asking for advice, I tell them the Church’s teaching and then I say, pray, pray that God shows you what to do, be willing to do God’s will, even if you spend you’re whole life struggling with SSA if you pray, and do what He wills, you will be put to good use.

 

[Vic_Taltrees_UK]

I don’t know what kind of a country the OP lives in or the other posters live in or what history that country has had.

In my country church members are small in number and everyone else doesn’t come under it. Over past centuries, people under Christian influence may or may not have helped shape some laws (not the only influence).

The Church didn’t invent things - Jesus and the Apostles passed on chastity in your state in life. The people they passed this on to are the Church members. If you are called to be a Church member, look at it, spend time, demand help and support to study the Scriptures, what attitude to take to money, how to trust God in a bad day, how to trust your brother, how to implore God for your needs and others’ (including need for company), how to perform works of mercy (including keeping people company), how to develop conversion of heart.

Study Scriptures and find out which Scriptures are addressed to Church members and which are not - rather a lot are.

The true Church isn’t wanting to deprive lonely people of company.

By abolishing the Catechumenate (including the post-sacramental catechumenate), Hausofferni, the people that sold you a false image of church have barred the way of the needy of heart to Good News. They have become Doctors of the Law. Critique what they are telling you.

Any church authority that is telling you it has direct authority in the lives of non members and that is telling you that would-be believers don’t need a catechumenate isn’t telling you the truth.

I am trying to shock you into finding out what Christianity is and how it is supposed to work.

As citizens we should play our part in advocating good law not based on conflated and confused issues, i.e assisting people with their loneliness and their inheritance issues without snagging something else (which always has been the only basis of good law in any society, in any era of history, in any country).

As individuals, we shall impress other individuals about the existence of God if we can demonstrate that something is able to help us in the areas I’ve enumerated. As would-be church members we’ve got to demand proper food.

I’m with At9009 and Sneaux on this and feeling like a football over a whole raft of issues, social background, bodily makeup etc, not only on the part of “church” but of other politicians, commerce &c.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

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I don’t think the OP mentioned anything about people who have “desires that come from trauma and abuse” and something that “started out as molestation”.
Or even, people with “addictive behaviors.”
I sure hope you are not implying that people have same-gender attraction only because of the above issues.

I am truly sorry and I have by now several decades of life experience, ALL my gay acquaintances have arrived there via some kind of trauma, neglect by a father figure (the same for women and men) and/or abuse. I used to think there were exceptions but this has been freely admitted to me and is the subject of at least one youtube video that I can search up if you want.
Repetition of trauma is a default mode of trying to live through it in order to “get it right this time” but only compounds the error. This is at the basis of addictive behavior and the reason why the promiscuity rates are so high among gays, also admitted by them. Each successive try does not cure but makes matters worse.

 

[anonymous_in_fl]

Loving God, wanting to do only His will, is the desire that leads any of us (straight or gay) to live as He wants us to live. Living a life of virtue can only come from Love of God, not of fearing Him. When the desire to Love Him who gave His life for you supersedes all your own fears, desires, doubts or questions---- you will fly to His Love and desire nothing else than to live for Him and love for Him. “My burden is easy, my yoke is light”.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Okay this is something that I’m wondering about. I know the church wants people with same sex attraction to stay chaste and abstinent, but what about those people who don’t see themselves in that life. I mean if you walk into a gay hang out place or gay club, and told them “hey the church loves you, we just want you to stay single, chaste and be abstinent”, how are they supposed to take that? Is it fair that they cannot share love with another human being?? I’m not sure if I’m making myself clear, but there are people who just don’t see themselves living alone in a house with no one else to love and support them, they need someone else. Does the church not know what to do with people with same sex attraction? Would it ever in the future change its laws?? What do you all think should happen or is going to happen? Could a same sex relationship with no sex even exist? It seems so easy to tell someone that they should be chaste and single and abstinent etc, but usually, it’s a married man or woman who says this, someone who has no idea about living or conforming to this. What is the church going to do about people with same sex attraction? I hope I don’t sound like I’m attacking the church, but from what I’ve read it seems like everyone just keeps trying to shut people with SSA up. Thoughts and opinions?

The Catholic Church teaches that marriage is about babies and as such a gay couple just doesn’t fit in that. That they can’t morally engage in sex doesn’t mean they can’t love each other, indeed historically in Catholicism chaste same sex (not necessarily gay) love was celebrated.

Yes, a chaste gay couple could exist, see the site A Queer Calling, and there are chaste gay male couples too.

There is probably no need to retrace the same threads that deal with this subject exhaustively, so you could look them up.
I will say that this quote turned out to be true for me:
*“Delight yourself in the LORD, and he will give you the desires of your heart”. *Psalm 37-4
Desires that come from trauma and abuse are ultimately destructive as there is the element of hurt and even revenge, not love. To repeat what started out as molestation is only compounding the problem and making it worse. This is the basis of most addictive behaviors, thinking that further indulgence is the medicine when it is just the opposite.
God can only want what is healthy and good for His children. When we align our will to His, we also want what is the best for us and others.

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45% of gay people have had 5 or fewer partners (vs. 44% for straights)
98% of gay people have had 20 or fewer partners (vs. 99% for straights)
It turns out that a tiny fraction of gays have single-handedly two-handedly created the public image of gay sexual recklessness—in fact we found that just 2% of gay people have had 23% of the total reported gay sex, which is pretty crazy.

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Homosexuality is not an addiction

 

[zamyrabyrd]

The Catholic Church teaches that marriage is about babies and as such a gay couple just doesn’t fit in that. That they can’t morally engage in sex doesn’t mean they can’t love each other, indeed historically in Catholicism chaste same sex (not necessarily gay) love was celebrated.
Yes, a chaste gay couple could exist, see the site A Queer Calling, and there are chaste gay male couples too. Homosexuality is not an addiction

Going backwards, promiscuity is an addiction for any orientation. I can think of some high placed politicians that don’t need to be named here…

You got the graph from OK cupid. Wow, what a respectable source!

Here is from a Christian site:
carm.org/statistics-homosexual-promiscuity
“… 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners…There is an extremely low rate of sexual fidelity among homosexual men as compared to married heterosexuals.”

I can attest from acquaintance with several people who don’t deny that faceless sex racks up the numbers, not in the 10’s but 100’s. This only makes sense considering bath houses, cruising and the like.

Finally, friendship is not “same sex love”. Puleeze!

 

[at9009]

Going backwards, promiscuity is an addiction for any orientation. I can think of some high placed politicians that don’t need to be named here…

You got the graph from OK cupid. Wow, what a respectable source!

Here is from a Christian site:
carm.org/statistics-homosexual-promiscuity
“… 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners…There is an extremely low rate of sexual fidelity among homosexual men as compared to married heterosexuals.”

I can attest from acquaintance with several people who don’t deny that faceless sex racks up the numbers, not in the 10’s but 100’s. This only makes sense considering bath houses, cruising and the like.

Finally, friendship is not “same sex love”. Puleeze!

Okay, in general, survey based research suffers from a sampling bias because it depends on who was actually surveyed, when, and where. So it is quite possible that both sources are reporting their actual and accurate data because neither accurately surveyed the entire population of males with SSA. Second, since I don’t know either source very well, I don’t know if there are any possible conflict of interests where a research group may be tempted to skew their data or come in with a particular hypothesis and develop their research aimed to prove rather than test a hypothesis. One would need multiple sources with similar data before making any concluding statement. HOWEVER, this is kind of irrelevant to the OP’s actual post.

Second, personal acquaintances that have particular habits or behaviors cannot be generalized to an entire population of people. That does feel a tincy bit uncharitable of a statement.

I don’t understand the comment friendship is not ‘same sex love.’ What do you mean? Two friends can genuine care and experience love for each other. Obviously it is not the same kind of love within a marriage and is expressed in a different way. However, it is still love (and yes it can be between two people of the same sex). So I don’t really understand why that is a controversial statement.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

Okay, in general, survey based research suffers from a sampling bias because it depends on who was actually surveyed, when, and where. So it is quite possible that both sources are reporting their actual and accurate data because neither accurately surveyed the entire population of males with SSA. Second, since I don’t know either source very well, I don’t know if there are any possible conflict of interests where a research group may be tempted to skew their data or come in with a particular hypothesis and develop their research aimed to prove rather than test a hypothesis. One would need multiple sources with similar data before making any concluding statement. HOWEVER, this is kind of irrelevant to the OP’s actual post.

Second, personal acquaintances that have particular habits or behaviors cannot be generalized to an entire population of people. That does feel a tincy bit uncharitable of a statement.

I don’t understand the comment friendship is not ‘same sex love.’ What do you mean? Two friends can genuine care and experience love for each other. Obviously it is not the same kind of love within a marriage and is expressed in a different way. However, it is still love (and yes it can be between two people of the same sex). So I don’t really understand why that is a controversial statement.

I am fairly written out on this subject on other threads, so I am not enthusiastic about answering questions that to me are loaded, as explaining why I don’t like the phrase “same sex love” which is only one word away from “same sex”.The characterization of men, women, boys and girls reduced to “sex” to me is cheap. In fact, I have gotten to abhor the word itself since it is so omnipresent.

The media would like to promote the fictions that same sex arrangements are just two people who want to get together and spend their lives bothering no one. I’d like to believe it too if I didn’t witness personally so much evidence contradicting this fantasy. There are so many inbuilt problems, starting from how they got to be that in the first place, if it is as in most cases, from neglect, abuse and/or molestation. Regarding promiscuity, the result of “open” marriages, the health risks are multiplied. Please, I have had enough of all this!

 

[Sneaux]

I am truly sorry and I have by now several decades of life experience, ALL my gay acquaintances have arrived there via some kind of trauma, neglect by a father figure (the same for women and men) and/or abuse. I used to think there were exceptions but this has been freely admitted to me and is the subject of at least one youtube video that I can search up if you want.
Repetition of trauma is a default mode of trying to live through it in order to “get it right this time” but only compounds the error. This is at the basis of addictive behavior and the reason why the promiscuity rates are so high among gays, also admitted by them. Each successive try does not cure but makes matters worse.

I’m sure there are plenty that have been through abuse, however, I’ve never experienced any type of abuse, I grew up in a loving family, and I’ve had several friends who can say the same.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

I’m sure there are plenty that have been through abuse, however, I’ve never experienced any type of abuse, I grew up in a loving family, and I’ve had several friends who can say the same.

Good for you! There is also modelling of a positive nature regarding male and female behavior. This also can get skewed. Now there is the transgender madness where anyone can be anything! Imagine how this can destabilize a sense of security in children when a father suddenly becomes a mother and a brother turns into a sister. This is further down on the slippery slope of course.

 

[at9009]

I am fairly written out on this subject on other threads, so I am not enthusiastic about answering questions that to me are loaded, as explaining why I don’t like the phrase “same sex love” which is only one word away from “same sex”.The characterization of men, women, boys and girls reduced to “sex” to me is cheap. In fact, I have gotten to abhor the word itself since it is so omnipresent.

You are kind of making my point for me. When in our culture did love become equated to sexual romantic relationship? That is my point. Friendships which are built upon love are pivotal for most people. Now in friendship there isn’t sex yet there is still love. I am trying to do the exact opposite of reducing people to sex, but rather expanding our understanding of love to include love within the confides of friendship.

So many people in our culture feel like they can’t have love because they are unable to marry whether that be because of same sex attraction, divorce, or what ever. The important distinction we need to make as Catholics is that they are not without love. They may not be able to express love within a marriage, BUT they do have friendships and families where they can show and receive love (Obviously not the same as marital love but it is no less significant). Additionally, we really need to emphasize that people are beloved daughters and sons of Christ who loved them so much He willingly died for our sins (Romans 5:8). Helping people realize they still have love and support makes it easier for the person to carry up their cross. Secular society wants to tell us that the only way to happiness and fulfillment is within the confides of a sexual romantic relationship (regardless of the morality). We, as Catholics, need to counter that with the truth that God doesn’t call everyone to marriage and that there is love and fulfillment within the confides of a celibate vocation (whether that be a religious vocation or some other path God has layed out for the person). (And that marriage though rewarding often comes with its own trials and tribulations.

The media would like to promote the fictions that same sex arrangements are just two people who want to get together and spend their lives bothering no one. I’d like to believe it too if I didn’t witness personally so much evidence contradicting this fantasy. There are so many inbuilt problems, starting from how they got to be that in the first place, if it is as in most cases, from neglect, abuse and/or molestation. Regarding promiscuity, the result of “open” marriages, the health risks are multiplied. Please, I have had enough of all this!

Do you not see how you are being a little uncharitable? You seem to be implying that all people within a same sex arrangement are bent on some type of nefarious plan. Additionally you are implying that all same sex arrangements contain a sexual component to a relationship. Finally although some people with SSA do fit into the narrative of neglect, abuse, and/or molestation, many do not. The Catholic Church position of the etiology of same sex attraction is its unknown or at least largely unexplained at this point (It’s most likely due to different things for different individuals). What it does teaches is how for a person with same sex attraction to live out a life aimed towards sanctification (Just like everyone should strive to honor and follow God’s Will for them).

I apologize for the long ramble (I tend to do that), but I hope this somewhat clarifies my position.

 

[Glomung]

You are making the same mistake that the LGBT folks do, accepting the notion that having sexual relations has anything to do with love.

Their problem is LUST, it has always been LUST. Otherwise they would not demand unnatural sexual behaviors.

I can point you to quite a few places where same gender people live together, love each other, and practically all of them are virgins. Mt. Athos being a good example.

 

[catholic1seeks]

I am one such gay individual whom you refer to. I am deeply drawn to relationship. The romantic kind. To have a family life. Etc. I am a very relational person and cannot ever see myself living alone. It is a major struggle for me to acknowledge the church’s teaching on this subject, when the consequences of the teaching, when applied objectively to all, is a lonely existence. Of course, not all people marry and find themselves in a romantic relationship. And romantic relationships are not the only kind of relationships available to gay individuals. But for people like me, it is very hard to integrate what the church says on the one hand and what I deeply know about my own self, on the other.

Even if the Church is going to uphold traditional sexual moral teachings, I think it will start to approach gay persons with a situation-by-situation accompaniment. Everyone is different. Every gay person is different. Some are able to well-integrate church teaching with their lives; maybe some are able to live celibate lives and do not care much about having a relationship. I am willing to bet big bucks, however, that this is not the case for the vast majority of gay people, even in the church. The Church must realize that not every fits under its umbrella of traditional sexual morality.
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[catholic1seeks]

So many people in our culture feel like they can’t have love because they are unable to marry whether that be because of same sex attraction, divorce, or what ever. The important distinction we need to make as Catholics is that they are not without love. They may not be able to express love within a marriage, BUT they do have friendships and families where they can show and receive love (Obviously not the same as marital love but it is no less significant). Additionally, we really need to emphasize that people are beloved daughters and sons of Christ who loved them so much He willingly died for our sins (Romans 5:8). Helping people realize they still have love and support makes it easier for the person to carry up their cross. Secular society wants to tell us that the only way to happiness and fulfillment is within the confides of a sexual romantic relationship (regardless of the morality). We, as Catholics, need to counter that with the truth that God doesn’t call everyone to marriage and that there is love and fulfillment within the confides of a celibate vocation (whether that be a religious vocation or some other path God has layed out for the person). (And that marriage though rewarding often comes with its own trials and tribulations.

Although I appreciate these very important points (that love is not only expressed sexually, etc.), I think it is a bit of a word game in this context. Because at the end of the day, according to church teaching, gay persons are still forbidden to share a life of love with someone they “fall in love” with. Sexual acts are some of the most profound ways of expressing love and commitment, and the church not only forbids gay activity, but it looks down upon any motion towards a relationship of this sort. The catechism speaks of “disinterested friendships” as acceptable between gay persons. But, ultimately, however you want to define love, gay persons are not able to experience a profound love that is built into human nature. At least, not without committing grave sin.
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[catholic1seeks]

You are making the same mistake that the LGBT folks do, accepting the notion that having sexual relations has anything to do with love.

Their problem is LUST, it has always been LUST. Otherwise they would not demand unnatural sexual behaviors.

Fortunately, many users on CAF are more charitable and understanding than this.

Just because I am attracted to members of the same sex does not make me lustful.

 

[davidv]

Although I appreciate these very important points (that love is not only expressed sexually, etc.), I think it is a bit of a word game in this context. Because at the end of the day, according to church teaching, gay persons are still forbidden to share a life of love with someone they “fall in love” with. Sexual acts are some of the most profound ways of expressing love and commitment,
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This is false and is rooted in secular egoism. The most profound expression of love is detached self giving as exemplified by Jesus’ death on the Cross.

and the church not only forbids gay activity, but it looks down upon any motion towards a relationship of this sort. The catechism speaks of “disinterested friendships” as acceptable between gay persons. But, ultimately, however you want to define love, gay persons are not able to experience a profound love that is built into human nature. At least, not without committing grave sin.

This is a false claim based on a faulty definition of love.
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[Sacred_Heart_1]

Okay this is something that I’m wondering about. I know the church wants people with same sex attraction to stay chaste and abstinent, but what about those people who don’t see themselves in that life. I mean if you walk into a gay hang out place or gay club, and told them “hey the church loves you, we just want you to stay single, chaste and be abstinent”, how are they supposed to take that? Is it fair that they cannot share love with another human being?? I’m not sure if I’m making myself clear, but there are people who just don’t see themselves living alone in a house with no one else to love and support them, they need someone else. Does the church not know what to do with people with same sex attraction? Would it ever in the future change its laws?? What do you all think should happen or is going to happen? Could a same sex relationship with no sex even exist? It seems so easy to tell someone that they should be chaste and single and abstinent etc, but usually, it’s a married man or woman who says this, someone who has no idea about living or conforming to this. What is the church going to do about people with same sex attraction? I hope I don’t sound like I’m attacking the church, but from what I’ve read it seems like everyone just keeps trying to shut people with SSA up. Thoughts and opinions?

For some reason my fellow Catholics categorize sin through rank, ranking which sin is above another in disgust.

What my fellow Catholics don’t suggest of themselves is that in fact their lust for their partner is their sin too. SSA is the same sin as hetero-attraction. It’s sex.

I wish my fellow Catholics would see with true eyes that lust is part of their sexual sin.

Yes it may be that sex is legitimized by marriage, however, the sin of lust is still there. It’s not just love when you lay with your partner. There is the suggestion of lust in the genitals with all sex. If it wasn’t for lust then there would be no arousal.

To a married Catholic this becomes a holy sin, one ordained by God. Lust is sin, nonetheless. I find that people have trouble admitting to this sin.

Jesus even says that if you lust after a woman then you have committed adultery in your heart. People make marriage the exception, rather than become like Christ, as he was a virgin.

You see married people can’t become like Christ, as he was a virgin.