Question about schism

[Unique_name]

Can someone please explain to me how a church can be in schism, yet have valid sacraments? Is this true for the Eucharist as well?

 

[Vico]

Can someone please explain to me how a church can be in schism, yet have valid sacraments? Is this true for the Eucharist as well?

Apostolic succession through Holy Orders allows for valid sacraments. That includes the seven sacraments (Holy Mysteries), however in some cases such as Eastern Orthodox penitential marriages would not be valid per the Catholic Church.

Catechism

2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. " Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him." 11

 

[ziapueblo]

Schism is just a break in communion. The Orthodox are true particular Churches. Both the Orthodox and Catholic Church share the same faith we just have not shared the same Eucharist for about a millennium.

ZP

 

[Inquiry]

This comes down to the nature of Apostolic Succession. Each validly ordained Bishop is the inheritor of the Apostles’ mission and relationship to Christ. That is the element critical to five or six of the sacraments*. The Bishop can partially pass that mission on to others, which is why Priests and Deacons can administer some of the Sacraments, but the full share resides in the Bishop himself. It doesn’t come through the Church and it can’t be taken away by the Church.

Because of that, when a Bishop or Bishops break away from the Catholic Church they are still Bishops and can still perform all of the Sacraments. That includes the Sacrament of Holy Orders so they can ordain new Bishops and pass along Apostolic Succession. That means some of the denominations in schism can have valid Sacraments (although others have lost the Succession for reasons other than schism)

*Baptism can be ministered by anyone in an emergency, and the bride and groom are the real ministers of Holy Matrimony.

 

[dochawk]

Can someone please explain to me how a church can be in schism, yet have valid sacraments? Is this true for the Eucharist as well?

If you want to put it in those terms . . . the RCC is in schism with the the same churches that are in schism with it . . .

and the bride and groom are the real ministers of Holy Matrimony.

not in most of the churches in schism with the RCC. For that matter, not in almost all of the churches in communion with the RCC . . .