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Maxirad
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Is it sinful to forge a signature even if one has permission from the person whose signature is being forged?
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Jaypeeto4
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Is it sinful?
No, not if you have permission, preferably indisputable, taped verbal permission,
from the person whose signature you are forging, to do so.
But what would be the purpose of doing such a thing,
unless your friend has broken hands and fingers, or is missing fingers,
and therefore can no longer write his signature?
WIth my manager’s permission, I used to sign certain requisition forms with his signature. These were legal, common requisitions for stuff, nothing shady,
and he didn’t have time to sign everything cuz he was overwhelmed.
And he would back me up on this even today.
As for forging another person’s signature on a check, for example, that
you have written to yourself, without his or her permission,
that is sinful and is also grossly illegal and you could get in really, really, really
serious trouble for doing it, so don’t ever even think about doing that, if the temptation to
do so were to ever occur to you.
Although the sin, in such a case, would be the dishonesty of doing it, period, PLUS
aggravated or diminished by how much or how little you dishonestly made the check out to yourself FOR, that is in God’s eyes (which are higher than mans, of course). But in man’s eyes, the eyes of “the state,” they would be absolutely merciless about such a thing, no matter how little. I read on the internet about some seventeen year old kid who forged his mom’s signature on a check or checks totalling $300 or under.
For that $300 immoral act, he is facing, at 17, 60 years behind bars. 60 years.
So don’t ever do that, because while God is merciful, PEOPLE are MERCILESS.
They impose punishments WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY beyond what even Almighty God’s Laws call for ((for which they will answer to Him, by the way. They are not immune just because of their jobs)).
Forgery is a bad idea, really bad. Don’t ever do it, except in cases where you have permission to do it, explicit permission, and are not doing it to do something illegal, either on behalf of yourself NOR on behalf of the person who gave you permission.
In mideval England, I believe it was, at one time they used to kill people for it.
Not worth the risk (but again, those magistrates are now answering to God for imposing such brutal punishments that go way, way beyond what even God Almighty demanded in his Law).
No, not if you have permission, preferably indisputable, taped verbal permission,
from the person whose signature you are forging, to do so.
But what would be the purpose of doing such a thing,
unless your friend has broken hands and fingers, or is missing fingers,
and therefore can no longer write his signature?
WIth my manager’s permission, I used to sign certain requisition forms with his signature. These were legal, common requisitions for stuff, nothing shady,
and he didn’t have time to sign everything cuz he was overwhelmed.
And he would back me up on this even today.
As for forging another person’s signature on a check, for example, that
you have written to yourself, without his or her permission,
that is sinful and is also grossly illegal and you could get in really, really, really
serious trouble for doing it, so don’t ever even think about doing that, if the temptation to
do so were to ever occur to you.
Although the sin, in such a case, would be the dishonesty of doing it, period, PLUS
aggravated or diminished by how much or how little you dishonestly made the check out to yourself FOR, that is in God’s eyes (which are higher than mans, of course). But in man’s eyes, the eyes of “the state,” they would be absolutely merciless about such a thing, no matter how little. I read on the internet about some seventeen year old kid who forged his mom’s signature on a check or checks totalling $300 or under.
For that $300 immoral act, he is facing, at 17, 60 years behind bars. 60 years.
So don’t ever do that, because while God is merciful, PEOPLE are MERCILESS.
They impose punishments WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY beyond what even Almighty God’s Laws call for ((for which they will answer to Him, by the way. They are not immune just because of their jobs)).
Forgery is a bad idea, really bad. Don’t ever do it, except in cases where you have permission to do it, explicit permission, and are not doing it to do something illegal, either on behalf of yourself NOR on behalf of the person who gave you permission.
In mideval England, I believe it was, at one time they used to kill people for it.
Not worth the risk (but again, those magistrates are now answering to God for imposing such brutal punishments that go way, way beyond what even God Almighty demanded in his Law).
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Catholic90
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Depends on what it is for.
I forged my son’s signatures on endorsing some checks for him when he was away at college; otherwise, they could not have been deposited into his account, since he was several states away and his bank account they had to go into was here. Not about to be mailing endorsed checks back and forth.
I also used to sign things with my husband’s name - endorsing checks, signing checks, etc. He knew I was doing these things.
Those are the only times I have forged signatures.
I forged my son’s signatures on endorsing some checks for him when he was away at college; otherwise, they could not have been deposited into his account, since he was several states away and his bank account they had to go into was here. Not about to be mailing endorsed checks back and forth.
I also used to sign things with my husband’s name - endorsing checks, signing checks, etc. He knew I was doing these things.
Those are the only times I have forged signatures.
meltzerboy
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I’ve often wondered whether it is legal to endorse a spouse’s check if you are not the payee, and write For Deposit Only. I thought it was not legal even if the bank makes allowances for customers they know. Maybe this is a law more honored in the breach than the observance.Depends on what it is for.
I forged my son’s signatures on endorsing some checks for him when he was away at college; otherwise, they could not have been deposited into his account, since he was several states away and his bank account they had to go into was here. Not about to be mailing endorsed checks back and forth.
I also used to sign things with my husband’s name - endorsing checks, signing checks, etc. He knew I was doing these things.
Those are the only times I have forged signatures.
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Deo_Gratias42
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It depends what it’s for, as there are laws against that sort of thing. For example, back in my cashier days, I could not permit a spouse to use their spouse’s credit card or sign for it. There are laws against that. Man, and some people must have thought I was really dumb too. “Miss, is this your card? Your name is Christopher? I need to see some ID please. It says here your name is Florence.” 
It sounds like your son needs a better bank that’s cross-country. My parents have no problems depositing cheques and money into my account. All they needed was a void cheque (or my account number)
For those wondering, yes it’s against the law to forge someone’s signature for anything legal or banking, etc.Depends on what it is for.
I forged my son’s signatures on endorsing some checks for him when he was away at college; otherwise, they could not have been deposited into his account, since he was several states away and his bank account they had to go into was here. Not about to be mailing endorsed checks back and forth.
I also used to sign things with my husband’s name - endorsing checks, signing checks, etc. He knew I was doing these things.
Those are the only times I have forged signatures.
It sounds like your son needs a better bank that’s cross-country. My parents have no problems depositing cheques and money into my account. All they needed was a void cheque (or my account number)
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Langdell
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That’s not quite right … or it’s incomplete, depending on which state’s or country’s law you have in mind.
For example, under the Model Penal Code, the crime of forgery requires that the person act “with purpose to defraud or injure anyone or with knowledge that he is facilitating a fraud or injury to be perpetrated by anyone.” Thus, if someone (such as your son) has authorized you to “forge” his signature, and you’re doing so for the purpose he authorized, then you’re not injuring or defrauding anyone, or intending to do so.
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Joe_Kelley
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Years ago the wife of one of my coworkers regularly endorsed her husband’s check and deposited it. One time she wasn’t available and he signed it. The bank refused it because it wasn’t the signature they were used to. 
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DexUK
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What we have here is a potential for differences between a legal code and a moral code.
The legal code may hold that all ‘forgery’ is illegal, no matter what the circumstances. The moral code might hold that if you are simply doing someone else’s bidding, they are effectively signing the document by proxy but that they hold the responsibility and/or liability for that outcomes of signature taking place.
So it is almost certainly not sinful if the ‘forgery’ is with the express permission of the one whose signature has been ‘forged’ (since you are acting as their agent, sort of like your hand acts as the ‘agent’ of your brain when you sign your own name). However, that may not stop you getting in trouble with legal authorities.
The legal code may hold that all ‘forgery’ is illegal, no matter what the circumstances. The moral code might hold that if you are simply doing someone else’s bidding, they are effectively signing the document by proxy but that they hold the responsibility and/or liability for that outcomes of signature taking place.
So it is almost certainly not sinful if the ‘forgery’ is with the express permission of the one whose signature has been ‘forged’ (since you are acting as their agent, sort of like your hand acts as the ‘agent’ of your brain when you sign your own name). However, that may not stop you getting in trouble with legal authorities.
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Joe_Kelley
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I think for there to be a legal problem someone has to complain. And it probably has to be someone with a legal interest in the matter; not just the neighborhood pest.
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Calgar
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Of course not. People sign documents for me all the time. My secratary even has a rubber stamp with my signature on it.
If you give permission (as I and many other people have) it’s not cheating.
P.S. If you have literally hundreds of documents going through your office a week, and you are a busy man, you cannot be expected to personally sign every mundane form that requires your signature.
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AHapka
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And??? What ended up happening…did he complain?Years ago the wife of one of my coworkers regularly endorsed her husband’s check and deposited it. One time she wasn’t available and he signed it. The bank refused it because it wasn’t the signature they were used to.
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AHapka
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Not always. It’s only illegal if done with the intent to defraud. Here in Wisconsin, for example:
943.38 Forgery.
943.38(1)(1) Whoever with intent to defraud falsely makes or alters a writing or object of any of the following kinds so that it purports to have been made by another, or at another time, or with different provisions, or by authority of one who did not give such authority, is guilty of a Class H felony:
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