Question about soup on Lenten Fridays (like today)

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Luna_Lovecraft said:
Not wanting to throw a spanner in anyone’s works, but the Lenten newsletter put out by my diocese specifically asked us to refrain from chicken and beef broth on Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, and each Lenten Friday… 🤷

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Individual bishops have some leeway in this matter.
 
Living in the UK (as I do) we have to be meat free every Friday not just in lent, so I am always looking for meat free options 🍿

Although we (my son and I ) stick to it as a matter of obedience it seems a bit pointless to me … only because it is no big loss to us as there is so much food available that we will enjoy as much as we would meat. 🍕

Where as “in the old days” meat would be so much more missed :(:
 
sedonaman said:
In the oooooold days of pre-Vatican II, you couldn’t eat meat or soups, sauces, or gravies made from meat. Also prohibited were animal fat products such as lard. Eggs, milk, cheese, and butter were OK. Not long ago, I read that they had relaxed some of these prohibitions because some cultures used things like lard extensively in their cooking, but I couldn’t find a reference.
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I’d read that too last year, but cannot recall where at the moment. Should check my bookmarks maybe.
grasscutter said:
Actually, some veggie burgers are surprisingly good. They need a lot of condiments and lettuce, etc. to carry them off, though. I like scrambled eggs and toast. I’m just saying, you know, while you’re cooking anyway…
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Luna_Lovecraft said:
Grilled portobello mushroom make excellent “hamburgers”.

Lent also is a great time to explore Indian cooking since that cuisine has tons of veggie options. 😃

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My daughter is much more adventurous in her food choice. Maybe it comes with being five? Don’t think I’ve ever had Indian food. Yet oddly enough, when working in a kitchen a few years back I “cooked” it. Though I wouldn’t call what we made Indian. Just looked like it.

Scrambled eggs I can do. But my daughter, she tells me I make the worst toast in the world. Mostly because she has been spoiled by her grandmother who makes it on a wire coat hanger, bent and on the stove burner, so the crust and what not does get harder like it might in the toaster.
 
bcprincess said:
Living in the UK (as I do) we have to be meat free every Friday not just in lent, so I am always looking for meat free options 🍿

Although we (my son and I ) stick to it as a matter of obedience it seems a bit pointless to me … only because it is no big loss to us as there is so much food available that we will enjoy as much as we would meat. 🍕

Where as “in the old days” meat would be so much more missed :(:
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I was just totally thinking tonight – cheese pizza with mushrooms! and maybe peppers if I can order from the right place. I prefer my peppers just a little cooked as opposed to full out raw.
 
Sorry, I was angling for you to send me some scrambled eggs and toast. Better hold the toast, though.
 
grasscutter said:
Sorry, I was angling for you to send me some scrambled eggs and toast. Better hold the toast, though.
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Eggs I can do. They impress her. The toast, not so. I don’t know why. I can make it the same way my mother does. Only thing I won’t do is, put sugar on it. That … that just sounds too disgusting to me to even think about doing it. But apparently, nanny does it 🤷
 
Poor YoungTradCath, we’ve totally gone off on a tangent. I plan on taking spaghetti, mixing it with beaten eggs, spinach and whatever spices I come up with, topping it with cheese and baking it in the oven. Yum!
 
i have read that soup and gravy made from meat are forbidden on days of complete abstinence, although i can’t find any official references online(although some random Catholic sites says it’s okay, but give no reference), but out of one of my more current Catholic encyclopedia’s it defines penitential abstinence as - *"Depriving oneself of meat or foods prepared with meat (sauces, gravies, soups from meat stock) on days prescribed by the church as “penitential”. *
and out of another Catholic encyclopedia, although less recent - “refraining from eating the meat from mammals or fowl, and soup or gravy made from them.”
and out of “My Catholic Faith” by Bishop Louis Laravoire, which is the newer “ecumenical spirit edition” says - “On days of complete abstinence meat, and soup or gravy made from meat, may not be used at all”
and then several other of my Catholic dictionary/encyclopedias say the same,

i’ve seen several sites, as i said, which claim it’s okay, but don’t trust it just cause it’s a catholic site, you have to get the answers from the church, either ask your priest or bishop(although sometimes even the priest doesn’t know), or do as i did, check it out in a church approved catholic dictionary or encyclopedia,

it’s true, there can be exemptions made by our bishops, but you don’t see that very often, and so you can’t just assume it’s okay, you either have to find out, or just don’t eat it.
 
grasscutter said:
Poor YoungTradCath, we’ve totally gone off on a tangent. I plan on taking spaghetti, mixing it with beaten eggs, spinach and whatever spices I come up with, topping it with cheese and baking it in the oven. Yum!
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I’ll be there in fifteen with a bottle. Red or white? 😃
 
How about making some nice lentil soup? 😉

Consuming expensive foods and drink on Friday kind of defeats the whole purpose of fasting doesn’t it?
 
I think, and I could be wrong, but I think on Lenten Fridays in Canada, if we do not abstain from meat, we are allowed to replace it with something else. How is they put it … another “pious act” maybe? Hmm.

I know it’s on the CCCB website. And I have it bookmarked on my laptop from last year when I first returned back to the church and basically needed to start all over.
 
bcprincess said:
Living in the UK (as I do) we have to be meat free every Friday not just in lent, so I am always looking for meat free options 🍿

Although we (my son and I ) stick to it as a matter of obedience it seems a bit pointless to me … only because it is no big loss to us as there is so much food available that we will enjoy as much as we would meat. 🍕

Where as “in the old days” meat would be so much more missed :(:
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I would think too if I lived in a fishing community (and I love fish) that giving up meat on Friday would be a no brainer. I think in today’s world, we should be encouraged to make some sacrifice on Friday other than meat, maybe our favorite food or dessert!
 
mom2em said:
I think, and I could be wrong, but I think on Lenten Fridays in Canada, if we do not abstain from meat, we are allowed to replace it with something else. How is they put it … another “pious act” maybe? Hmm.

I know it’s on the CCCB website. And I have it bookmarked on my laptop from last year when I first returned back to the church and basically needed to start all over.
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I thought that was throughout the rest of the year and during Lent, Friday meat abstinence was mandatory.
 
grasscutter said:
I thought that was throughout the rest of the year and during Lent, Friday meat abstinence was mandatory.
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Ill double check. I’m skipping meat anyhow but it’s nice to have a refresher. I’ll post back with what I find.
 
Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops: Living Lent #6:
Abstinence. This form of penance needs to be seen as a near cousin of fasting. We may give up meat or other desirable foods on one or two days a week during Lent, especially on Friday, the day of Christ’s saving death on the cross. Our abstinence is another way of sharing in Christ’s work of saving the world.

Throughout the year, every Friday is a day of abstinence from meat, obliging all Catholics who are 14 years or older.

We may also substitute other good actions for abstinence from meat. These could include special acts of charity (visiting the sick or aged, helping those in any need, contributing time or money to a work of charity) or other acts of piety (taking part in a service of worship with others, praying with our family, spending some extra time in personal prayer, especially with God’s holy word in the scriptures).
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link to Living Lent
 
Here, we have to abstain from meat and meat “products”, including broth made from meat.
 
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