Question about the Pill

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I have heard this advice many times, but I wonder how it is possible. For me, personally, while I was on the Pill (yes, for medical reasons) I never had any cervical fluid. I would not have been able to tell when and if I was fertile.

I was very confused when I started researching NFP before going off of the Pill. I had no idea what all the different kind of fluid were! It took quite a few months post-pill before I started to get any fluid. It took close to a year before the fluid pattern resembled anything in the books.

So for any women out there who are thinking of getting off of the Pill before you get married, do it as soon as possible so that your body has a chance to get back to normal and make it easier to use NFP in your marriage.

One other thing I would like to note… I was put on the Pill for heavy bleeding and severe cramps. It did reduce the severity of both, but now that I am off of it, my periods are lighter than ever and the cramps are not nearly as bad. Go figure.

Malia
You are correct. This is not clear cut. As several Catholic Answers apologists have pointed out, you are NOT morally obligated to abstain around ovulation when using the pill for legitimate medical purposes.
 
I, too, suffered many years from pain and heaving bleeding. I found, too, that the pill took away all of my pain and bleeding problems. I am curious myself if anybody ever discovered anything that would solve these problems by staying off the pill. I also found that I never even came close to ovulating while on the pill. I think that the pill suppresses ovulation, and women only ovulate in a very small percentage of cases. I still wonder how people can talk about practicing NFP while on the pill - you have no signs or symptoms whatever because you are not ovulating! I felt tired and depressed while on it. I just couldn’t see going on it for the rest of my life.

The Pope Paul VI Web Site has been recommended by many people on this forum. I recently read an interesting book about the importance of using natural progesterone cream for certain problems both before and after menopause. Anyway, I went to look at the Web Site, and quite frankly, I came away wondering what the Pope Paul VI Institute was all about. Their Web Site was so poorly designed that I gave up in frustration.

I think I figured out that they have a facility somewhere, because I kept seeing some pictures. They had pictures of doctors and nurses that seemed to be somewhere in Nebraska. They had a list of publications and tapes you could order that just seemed like they were meant to convert you over to their point of view. It seemed like I couldn’t click on anything, and then there was a funny little form at the bottom that you were supposed to fill out and then mail them a check.

They didn’t mention menopause at all. Can someone tell me what you are supposed to learn from this Web Site? I found it totally useless.
 
The Pill does indeed supress ovulation, as that is its intended effect. Cases where ovulation occur while on the Pill are very much the minority. In cases when ovulation occurs, and this seems to be on a “by woman” basis rather than a “by period” basis, the likelyhood is that you will get pregnant. The Pill CAN cause abortions in theory, but this has never been conclusively demonstrated to my knowledge. There are concerns that it can weaken the uteral lining and prevent implantation of the egg, but that’s an extreme long shot in the realm of “hypothetical” based on the current studies I know of.

If you’re one of the women that can get pregnant while taking the Pill, then you would have to be very careful with intercourse if you are also intending to space out your children, because NFP simply isn’t effective due to the changes the Pill causes. If you don’t mind the possibility of having children, however, it should be a problem one way or the other.
 
I, too, have heavy bleeding and severe cramping off the pill. My husband and I stopped using ABC over a year ago, and it’s been tough getting used to some of the changes. I also have pretty bad acne off the pill. I lost about 15 pounds within a few months off the pill, though. I definitely don’t have enough of a medical reason to use the pill, and I really prefer NFP. It took us a long time - over a year - after reverting to Catholicism to come to the decision to use NFP. It was the right one, without a doubt…anyway, off topic. sorry :rolleyes:
 
From a reflector I am on that should help enlighten. We have to remember under what circumstances double effect applies and how it must be used.

Matt

The argument is whether it is ever moral (for a married woman) to take the Pill for a medical reason. The answer to that is, yes, with
conditions. Taking a pill is a morally neutral act, and sometimes taking a drug that has repercussions on the reproductive system is medically prudent. However, NFP-only physicians assert that this therapy should be only a temporary expedient, typically not exceeding three months. The Pill may be an expedient way to stop hemorrhagic bleeding, for example, but if it is at all possible, the patient should try to resolve the root cause of the problem.
The other condition on the use of the Pill is that it has a potential to act as an abortifacient. During the time a woman is on the Pill, it would not be prudent to have marital relations. The Principle of the Double Effect can only be applied for a proportionate reason. Taking the Pill may be necessary, in an emergency like hemorrhage, to save the woman’s life. The suppression of ovulation involves the sacrifice of a lesser good (fertility) for a higher good (the woman’s life). The question is frequently asked whether there is a proportionality between the continued suppression of fertility that involves a risk of abortifacient action, and the recovery of the woman’s health. This may indeed be proportionate, but now another aspect of the Principle of the
Double Effect comes into play–the issue of abortifaciency may be
entirely avoided without any sacrifice of the therapeutic good of the
drug. The couple may abstain, and, according to Pope John Paul II, must:

“From the moral standpoint, it is never licit to co-operate formally in evil. Such co-operation occurs when an action, either by its very nature or by the form it takes in a concrete situation, can be defined as a direct participation in an act against innocent human life or a sharing in the immoral intention of the person committing it” (Evangelium Vitae, 25 March, 1995, n. 74).

Therefore, during the course of an abortifacient therapy, abstinence would be required. This would be a natural incentive against long-term or indefinite treatment with synthetic sex hormones. To the extent that abstinence is difficult for the couple, it would provide motivation for patients to seek assistance from an NFP-only physician, which may sometimes take additional effort and expense. As arduous as it may be to obtain NFP-only treatment, there is no proportionality between “inconvenience and expense” and the higher good of a human life. There is no proportionality between the unitive bonding of the couple and the
higher good of a human life. Abstinence is a remedy for the risk to
human life, and it is available to anyone without cost.
Additionally, this motivation is providential, since alternative
treatments that avoid long-term use of synthetic steroids are, in the opinion of NFP-only physicians, more effective in resolving the root causes.
So, this is not a matter of “reactionary hardliners vs. squishy
liberals.” In the answer to the moral question, the nuances of the
conditions have to be borne in mind. The NFP-counselor needs to
understand that the “contraceptive” effect of the Pill would be
proportionate to the good of health, one organ’s effectiveness (in
conception) would be sacrificed in the interests of the whole body’s health. If the Pill were ONLY contraceptive, then a couple could possibly accept its contraceptive nature as an unintended, secondary consequence of an otherwise good act. The health benefit of the therapy would not depend directly upon its birth control effects. As soon as the risk of endangering a human life enters the picture, the stakes become too serious, there is no longer a balance of proportionality.

According to CCL’s medical advisors and NFP-only physicians, there is no medical indication for using the Pill. It is a birth control drug. That does not mean there cannot be situations where it is more expedient to use the Pill than to do nothing until a second opinion from an NFP-only physician is secured.
When we are asked whether the Pill may be taken for medical reasons, we need to answer that it may be the only expedient short-term solution to a gynecological emergency. It would be an oversimplification to issue an absolute negative. That said, you don’t want the questionner to leave your presence without mentioning that for as long as a woman was taking the Pill she would want to avoid all genital contact with her spouse. You would also recommend that a woman in this situation ask her physician about non-Pill alternatives, and perhaps allow us the opportunity to assist her in gaining a consultation with an NFP-only physician.
 
http://www.womenthirdmillennium.org/tapes.html

You might want to listen to
a talk given by Dr. Martha Garza, an OB-Gyn and reproductive
endocrinologist in San Antonio, TX, who is now an NFP-only doctor. She
gives some interesting insight on the fact that the Pill often is used
by physicians as a “quick fix” for gynecological problems, in that it
essentially turns off the system. It is much more difficult to search
for the root problem and to try to fix it than it it to just hand the
woman a prescription for the Pill. The Pill is quick and easy for the
doctor. I doubt many would want to take the Pill after listening to
this talk. It is excellent on a number of issues.
Tapes of her talk, “Contraception and the Woman as Sexual Object,”
available in English and in Spanish, can be purchased for $3.00.
 
In our pre-cana class, many years ago, we were told, ‘Of course you can take the pill for medical reasons, just abstain from the marital act.’
 
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CatholicMatthew:
From a reflector I am on that should help enlighten. We have to remember under what circumstances double effect applies and how it must be used.

Matt

The argument is whether it is ever moral (for a married woman) to take the Pill for a medical reason. The answer to that is, yes, with
conditions. Taking a pill is a morally neutral act, and sometimes taking a drug that has repercussions on the reproductive system is medically prudent…
Good Post…I know we have discussed this some in other threads. I follow your reasoning on the application of the principle of double effect. I am curious, however, as to why the apologists at CA seem to disagree with your analysis. This question has been covered at least a couple of time in the Ask the Apologist section and both times it was stated that abstinence while on the Pill would not be obligatory. I think you make a good case that it would be. I think this issue bears discussion and would be very curious to hear the reasoning behind the CA position.

Anyway…sorry to hijack the thread. It’s interesting when faithful Catholics have two distinct opinions on an important life issue like this. At this point I am caught in the middle wondering if one side or the other has missed something. You have done a good job explaining your application of the principle, I’d like to hear the same from the CA team.

Thoughts???
 
People who speak publicly about the Church’s teachings on sex and marriage will tell you that one of the question they hear most often is, “But what about people who have a *medical *reason to use contraception?” There is probably no aspect of the Church’s teaching on the immorality of contraception that is more often misunderstood – by priests and lay people alike - than that which applies in the case of a couple who has a serious medical reason not to become pregnant.
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   Drugs and      procedures that, *as a side effect of treating a disease*, make a      couple unable to conceive *are* morally permissible because the purpose      of such drugs and procedures is to control the damage done to the body by      the disease – not to suppress the normal, healthy, God-given fertility of      the couple.

   *Humanae Vitae*      states it this way: “*On the other hand, the Church does not consider at      all illicit the use of those therapeutic means necessary to cure bodily      diseases, even if a foreseeable impediment to procreation should result      there from—provided such impediment is not directly intended for any motive      whatsoever*.”
more…
 
Thanks Buffalo…what is your take on the abstinence issue when such a drug is medically necessary for treatment of a disease?
 
I am a little unsure as once I heard that it was never permissable to contracept even for medical reasons as they are also abortifacients, thereby possibly aborting a baby.

It is clear that certain medications and surgeries are permitted that have the effect of preventing procreation.
 
It is true that it is never permissible to contracept. But, taking a drug that as a side effect renders one infertile, or even causes spontaneous abortion, could be moral according to the principle of double effect. Read Catholicmatthew’s earlier post in this thread for a good explanation.
 
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Ham1:
, or even causes spontaneous abortion,.
I don’t think so - and one should look for every alternative so they don’t put themselves in that position.
 
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Ham1:
Thoughts???
Out of fear of harming someone’s conscience, I think it is generally a good idea to avoid telling someone that X is a sin if the Church hasn’t said X is a sin. To my knowledge, the Church has not come out and said you can’t take the pill or any other medication in the type of circumstances discussed here; rather, you have HV indicating one **can **take the pill in some circumstances.

Have you searched all of the CA answers on the question? I recall one that actually touched on the abortion reasoning. I’ll try to search and link it.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=30815
 
Pugyou have HV indicating one **can [/quote said:
take the pill in some circumstances.

Were they aware of the abortifacient nature of the pill when it was written?
 
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buffalo:
Were they aware of the abortifacient nature of the pill when it was written?
Well, the drug companies might have, but it is possible the Church did not. I don’t know. But they do know now, and have for awhile (I’ve seen moral theologians talk about the issue).

I detect that your line of thought might be that she has not had time to respond to possible new info. The Church does respond to new medical developments. Is this what you are thinking?
 
Is there anything official that I could read about the abortifacient effect of the pill?

My second-hand understanding is that 50% of zygotes fail to implant under normal circumstances, and use of the pill increases this percentage to 90%. However, because of the pill’s effect in decreasing the occurrence of conception, spontaneous abortions caused by failure to implant actually decrease in a women on the pill.

Can anyone clear this up for me?
 
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Pug:
Well, the drug companies might have, but it is possible the Church did not. I don’t know. But they do know now, and have for awhile (I’ve seen moral theologians talk about the issue).

I detect that your line of thought might be that she has not had time to respond to possible new info. The Church does respond to new medical developments. Is this what you are thinking?
Yes. And if I now know that it can abort a child, I have to act accordingly.
 
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Catholic2003:
Is there anything official that I could read about the abortifacient effect of the pill?

My second-hand understanding is that 50% of zygotes fail to implant under normal circumstances, and use of the pill increases this percentage to 90%. However, because of the pill’s effect in decreasing the occurrence of conception, spontaneous abortions caused by failure to implant actually decrease in a women on the pill.

Can anyone clear this up for me?
Can’t clear it up - but if even 1 abortion could take place then it would be an issue.
 
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buffalo:
Can’t clear it up - but if even 1 abortion could take place then it would be an issue.
If a woman not on the pill would have 3 or 4 spontaneous abortions (i.e., failures to implant), and by taking the pill that would be reduced to only 1 spontaneous abortion (i.e., failure to implant), it’s just not jumping out at me why the pill should be placed in the same class as an abortifacent like the IUD.
 
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