Question for a Priest

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Just to clarify, you the OP said he was charismated, then asked if the baptism was valid. If he baptized you with water in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit it is valid whether or not he is validly ordained. The validity of the chsrismation, however, does
 
Now questions for the OP - and before any further advice can be given - this really does need us to get more complete information from him.
  1. were you ever a member of the RC Church ? i.e. had you been Baptised , Received First Holy Communion and been Confirmed
  2. You state you were Chrismated into the Orthodox Church by an Orthodox priest whilst you were in prison - yes ?
Depending on your answers to these further advice can be given once we know your Canonical Status
 
I’m still confused - as I think are all here.

When was your Confirmation and First holy Communion - was it May 2017 ?

When was your Chrismation into Orthodoxy ?
 
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I’m still confused - as I think are all here.

When was your Confirmation and First holy Communion - was it May 2017 ?

When was your Chrismation into Orthodoxy ?
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Yes that is correct it was May 2017 and my Christmation into Orthodoxy was 2009 in prison

Hope that helps
 
One thing is clear from that - UNLESS you have formally applied for a change in Canonical Enrolment you are an Eastern Catholic .

Also the priest who Received you into the Catholic Church - was he aware you had been Chrismated into Orthodoxy ?

You should have been Received by a Profession of Faith - witnessed by two catholics in good standing. The Sacraments of Confirmation and First Holy Communion were not required
 
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One thing is clear from that - UNLESS you have formally applied for a change in Canonical Enrolment you are an Eastern Catholic .
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No. That isn’t clear.

The OP was baptised as an infant.
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…because I was Christened as a baby any other baptism is void as I cannot be baptised twice 🤔
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That means that if the Orthodox baptism as a second attempt at Baptism, it would not have the effect of making him Orthodox.
 
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eagerbeaver:
were you ever a member of the RC Church ? i.e. had you been Baptised , Received First Holy Communion and been Confirmed
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Last May I was confirmed and recieved First Holy Communion.
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You state you were Chrismated into the Orthodox Church by an Orthodox priest whilst you were in prison - yes ?
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Yes thats right.
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More confusion.

Let’s see if we’ve got all this:
  1. Baptised as an infant.
  2. Year 2009: Chrismated by an Orthodox priest
  3. Year 2017 received as a Catholic by a Catholic bishop, including Confirmation
Please don’t mention any “First Communion” because that confuses matters.

Now, first of all, are the above 3 points accurate?

Next, with regard to those points:
  1. Were you baptised Catholic as an infant? If so, was it a formal baptism in the church building or was it informal (by a nurse in the hospital or by a grandmother in the kitchen sink, etc.) What can you tell us about this infant baptism? What religion? (Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, etc.)
    Also, please don’t use the word “Christened” because it causes further confusion. When you write “Christened” that could imply that there was no baptism. In a different context, it might not matter, but it’s important here. Indeed, was it a baptism?
  2. We know you were Chrismated by the Orthodox priest. Did he baptize (or attempt baptism)?
  3. You wrote that the Catholic bishop confirmed you. Was he aware that you had been Chrismated by the Orthodox priest previously? In other words, did he not-know that you had been Chrismated, or did he decide (for whatever reason) that it was not a valid Chrismation?
 
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Fr David

Up thread the OP stated <<But is a Church of England Christening valid as a Baptism in the Catholic Church, I was Christened as a baby therefore I was’nt a believer in Christ.>>

So unless he was Received into the RC Church prior to his Chrismation into Orthodoxy in 2009 [ which does not usually involve Baptism first for Converts who have been Baptised using a Trinitarian Form ] his Chrismation into Orthodoxy holds and his Reception into Catholicism in 2017 brings him in to the Eastern Catholic Church.
 
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Fr David

Up thread the OP stated <<But is a Church of England Christening valid as a Baptism in the Catholic Church, I was Christened as a baby therefore I was’nt a believer in Christ.>>

So unless he was Received into the RC Church prior to his Chrismation into Orthodoxy in 2009 [ which does not usually involve Baptism first for Converts who have been Baptised using a Trinitarian Form ] his Chrismation into Orthodoxy holds and his Reception into Catholicism in 2017 brings him in to the Eastern Catholic Church.
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I don’t think it’s been posted clearly what the OP means by “Christening.” We need to know that. Hence, my #1 above. It hasn’t been stated.

We also don’t know what happened in #3. Hence, my question.

No one can give answers without first knowing the questions. We cannot just say “this is how things are” without knowing the details. We don’t do things that way.

The OP has stated that the Catholic bishop Confirmed him. We need to know why he did that before we can offer any conclusions.

I hope you see what I’m trying to say here: one simply cannot offer conclusions without FIRST knowing all the details and circumstances.
 
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Fr David - I do understand very clearly what you are saying and I do agree.

However in the UK [ where the OP is ] Christening refers to what is done in Protestant Churches - the formula may or may not be Trinitarian.

Item 3 also worries me very considerably -much more info is needed about that .
 
A (CoE) christening often refers to a baptism, but I think Father is right to want real confirmation of whether this was in fact a baptism.

Father is being careful, which is what I would expect a priest be in this instance.
 
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