have you ever wondered why you “VISIT” other churches? maybe your looking for something you’re missing in the sda church…
if by saying that peter and the other apostles changed it from saturday to sunday is saying that the Roman Catholic Church changed it then i am guilty as chargedYes the Catholic church is the Church the Lord Jesus Christ started, notice I left out the Roman part, it surely came later with the bishop of Rome when the barbarians sacked Rome the bishop of Rome took over, watched a film of it few years ago, cannot trust a film I know, but the bishop took over Rome after the barbarians left. The Church was started in Jerusalem surely, that may be too symplistic for you, but the 11 disciples and the others, 2000 converted in one day…the early church and then it spread to Rome with Paul and Peter.
Yes you claim Peter was the first pope, he wasn’t I would say, and then you admit that the Roman Catholic Church what? claims to have changed the Sabbath, just because I don’t accept one does not mean I cannot accept the other…Ha…too late at night for thisjohn…see you tomorrow mate…
Difference #1, when a Catholic drinks from a chalice in Holy Communion, it is the blood of Christ they are drinking, not “alcoholic wine”.ugh alcoholic wine too, ha, good excuse for a tipple huh…so yeah we have choice…
Ha! Don’t get me started on Mary…wow she was a very special young lady to be chosen as the mother of Lord Jesus, to be entrusted with the nuture and upbringing of Jesus…and Joseph too, special man…good living people to teach Lord Jesus the Scriptures and guide Him in His young life…
But Mary was a human being and she died and was buried like every other…I heard a legend that she was buried in North Wales where she went as a Missionary…we cannot pray to Mary…she would tell us if she could tell us, to worship her Son…same with all the Saints…they are nearly all dead and buried and awaiting the resurrection… this soul business is another weed planted amongst the wheat of the early Church…God breathed into man the breath of life and he became a living soul…I am a soul…many souls were drowned in the Titanic…its not some ghostly apparition…when we get to heaven we will be body and spirit or breath…(God looks after the essence of what makes us who we are what makes Michael Michael but we are unconcious) equals souls…‘the soul that sinneth it shall die’!!
So, wow johnshark, its 2am here time I was hitting the hay, the entertainment has been wonderful, thank you!!
Shalom, peace, may God bless all here. Michael.
So let’s just say that if I believed that someone wasn’t fully a person until his/her brain was 100 percent developed to the max, logically by your standards I could kill any 5 year old and it would come under the 'Hey, it’s killing and not murder" line huh. Therefore your church would say it was ok to leave it up to the individual’s conscience on this matter? My what a wonderful living breathing testimony of truth you have in your church there. In reality of course it’s a terrible system of truth as you would put it.
I find that hard to believe brother2 knowing you believe God left his written word to a bunch of ignorant illiterates for about 1500 years who even if they could, didn’t have the resources to duplicate, go back, study the culture and original languages to get a better understanding of the context of certain passages. That is the one of the silliest and inconceivable notions out of all protestant Doctrines.
I hear this allegation being repeated mindlessly and it high time to demand from those spreading this falsehood to demonstrate what they are saying. Brther2, can you possibly show us how the Pope changed the order of the 10 Commandments (and please don’t forget to show us the “unchanged” order as well)
Good!
Your “view” is self-contradictory since if the “Roman Catholic Church have been clever and artful at hiding the history they do not want the world to know” then you have no evidence; if you have evidence then the “Roman Catholic Church” was not “clever and artful in hiding the history they do not want the world to know”.
Can you afford us the same right to fault your System? You fault us, we fault you - what then?
No big deal. There are many more websites that disagree with what your websites say. Why should we believe what your websites say instead of believing what the websites that disagree with your websites, say?
No! It was Christ Who declared His Church to be infallible - just read your Bible.
Luckily, that is just your un-Biblical opinion, for James 5:16 tells us other wise. According to you, James was supposed to say “confess your trespasses to one another but that is just a waste of time for no human being can forgive sins”.
Wow, that says a lot about your misunderstanding of confession. It is not about forgiving sins on behalf of God, but forgiving sins in Jesus’ name. Big difference there!
Brother2 may not know that, but that was in fact an explicit admission that the Catholic Church was there from the beginning of Christianity, but Brother2 would rather listern to a Church founded by a false prophet in the nineteenth century.
Even the formation of the canon of the Bible was gradual and he has no problem with that. Why?
Brother2, get real. In my own country a law on child protection was promulgated recently but that does not mean children were not protected before then. Even if we grant that Constantine gave the first law regarding sunday, that means nothing because we have overwhelming evidence that the early Church worshiped on Sunday - even before Constantine was born.
I see Adventists at every Catholic World Youth Day. Have they become Catholic or do they go there with the purppose of preaching their version of the Gospel? Have you ever considered the possibility that was Paul’s purposse as well?
I pity people who chose to rely on the non-existent “changed history” as opposed to verifiable history. And mentioning “all the archives” seems to be a sign of “coveting your neighbor’s property”. Why is Brother2 not rather worried about the archives of White Estate?
True. That seems to be your purpose here. To distract, to try to confuse Catholics by using as many meaningless words as possible.
That is a very sad heresy. You are in fact accusing Jesus of being a liar. He promised to be with His Church forever; He promised the Helper, yet here you are, saying that Christ’s Church became a counterfeit - only to be re-invented by Ellen White. In other words, Ellen White was the second savior, an “improvement” on the “sloppy job” done by Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
There you have it. The crux of the matter is that someone somewhere does not want to see Christian unity (ecumenism) that Jesus earnestly prayed for. Who is that someone if not the devil himself?
Brother2, I notice you do alot of talking about saying we are wrong but you don’t back anything up with actual discussion regarding this explicity proof of why you think our Doctrines are in error. You actually believe you have this great gift of interpreting 2000 year old text in context? As easy as eating pie huh. And those links you gave us, most had to do with the fairly recent erroneous doctrine of still keeping the sabbath yawn and the 2 others merely tell us what we believe.
No harm but not easy either. It’s missing that ‘Oneness’ Jesus wanted you know. Do you think the early Church ever worshiped with heretics?
Yes, he seems to be doing this alot doesn’t he.
OK brother Joseph. The Christian Church is God’s True Church, just a pity we have to be splintered in hundreds of different groups…of which the Roman Catholic Church is just one large part.
uh what happened to the Catholic Church is the church that Christ started from last night?
thisYou are still keeping me up johnshark ha ha. No, believe me john I am reading all your well thought out writing and I appreciate where you are coming from honest I do. I have learned to listen as I have got older and I hear you.
Yes the Catholic church is the Church the Lord Jesus Christ started, notice I left out the Roman part, it surely came later with the bishop of Rome when the barbarians sacked Rome the bishop of Rome took over, watched a film of it few years ago, cannot trust a film I know, but the bishop took over Rome after the barbarians left. The Church was started in Jerusalem surely, that may be too symplistic for you, but the 11 disciples and the others, 2000 converted in one day…the early church and then it spread to Rome with Paul and Peter.
Yes you claim Peter was the first pope, he wasn’t I would say, and then you admit that the Roman Catholic Church what? claims to have changed the Sabbath, just because I don’t accept one does not mean I cannot accept the other…Ha…too late at night for this
Shalom. Peace. May God bless all here. Michael.
OK oK I try and meet you half way and I get chastised for it guys, ok. The Catholic Church grew out of the Christian Church which started in Jerusalem, sure I explained it afterwards…
i believe the reason he waited to convert is because it is against the law in England for a Catholic to hold high public officeAny world leader would be just completely overawed by ‘your man’s house’, no wonder Tony Blair became Roman Catholic, though he held off until he was out of office, I’m thankful for small mercies ha ha