Kalt said:
3 or 4 of us were debating whether these predictions are accurate. I, for my part, pointed out that what people want to see as predictions that fit today, could fit just about any other time in history at some place in the world. (Women dressed, but undressed.)
Like Nostradamus’ predictions, people will make these predictions fit today, when it’s obvious that they can be interpreted to mean many things and can be fitted to just about any time in history.
If I predict that a metal object will fall with a great sound tomorrow, I can’t be wrong.
If a plane crashes, I’m right. If someone, anywhere in the world, drops a fork in his stainless steel sink, I’m right.
Make it vague enough and you can’t be wrong.
I agree with you. So here are 2 prophecies that do not fit what you are describing.
Ask yourself honestly if these prophecies are “vague, could fit any other time in history?”
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Fire from Hijaz (13th Century A.D.)**
Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established till a **fire **will come out of the
land of Hijaz, and it will throw light on the necks of the camels at
Busra.” (Bukhari, written in the 9th Century A.D.)
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This “Fire” was a volcano which erupted in year 654 A.H from Medina. (The Muslim Calendar)
“Hijaz” is a specific reference to a small part of the Arabian Peninsula that includes Mecca and Medina. It meant that during the time of the Prophet(saw) and still today in Saudi Arabia is one of the provinces. “Busra” was a town in modern day Syria not to be confused with Basra of Iraq.
On page 32 of the translation of Ibn Kathir’s (a 13th Century Islamic Historian/Scholar)’s Al Bidayah Wal Nihayah (The Beginning and the End), translated as The Book of the End: Great Trials and Tribulations, he mentions it:
On Friday the 5th Jumaadah Al-Aakhira, 654 A.H., there appeared a fire in lands near Medinah An-Nabawiyyah, in some of its surrounding valleys. It extended four leagues lengthwise and four miles widthwide. Rocks would pour until they remained and like lead or molten tin, and then they became like black coals. By dint of the fire’s light, people were able to travel to Teemaa. The fire remained ablaze for an entire month. The inhabitants of Madeenah related this incident and some among them composed poetry about it. Qaadee Al-Qudaat, Sharud-Deen Alee ibn Al-Qaasim Al-Hanafee, said that the a Bedouin once told his father that on that night, he was in Busrah and that the people there saw the necks of camels from the light of that fire, which was ablaze in the land of Hijaaz.
(The Book of the End, Page 32, Ibn Kathir, trans. Faisal Shafiq)
Below is another reference:
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Travels in Arabia, vol. 2, p, 217. The Swiss traveller was prevented by sickness from visiting it. The “Jazb al-Kulub” affords the following account of a celebrated eruption, beginning on the Salkh (last day) of Jamadi al-Awwal, and ending on the evening of the third of Jamadi al-Akhir, A.H. 654. Terrible earthquakes, accompanied by a thundering noise, shook the town; from fourteen to eighteen were observed each night. On the third of Jamadi al-Akhir, after the Isha prayers, a fire burst out in the direction of Al-Hijaz (eastward); it resembled a vast city with a turretted and battlemental fort, in which men appeared drawing the flame about, as it were, whilst it roared, burned, and melted like a sea everything that came in its way. Presently red and bluish streams, bursting from it, ran close to Al-Madinah; and, at the same time, the city was fanned by a cooling zephyr from the same direction. Al-Kistlani, an eye-witness, asserts that “the brilliant light of the volcano made the face of the country as bright as day; and the interior of the Harim was as if the sun shone upon it, so that men worked and required nought of the sun and moon (the latter of which was also eclipsed?).”
Several saw the light at Meccah, at Tayma (in Nijd, six days’ journey from Al-Madinah), and at Busra, of Syria, reminding men of the Prophet’s saying, “A fire shall burst forth from the direction of Al-Hijaz; its light shall make visible the necks of the camels at Busra.” Historians relate that the length of the stream was four parasangs (from fourteen to sixteen miles), its breadth four miles (56? to the degree), and its depth about nine feet. It flowed like a torrent with the waves of a sea; the rocks, melted by its heat, stood up as a wall, and, for a time, it prevented the passage of Badawin, who, coming from that direction, used to annoy the citizens. Jamal Matari, one of the historians of Al-Madinah, relates that the flames, which destroyed the stones, spared the trees; and he asserts that some men, sent by the governor to inspect the fire, felt no heat; also that the feathers of an arrow shot into it were burned whilst the shaft remained whole. This he attributes to the sanctity of the trees within the Harim. On the contrary, Al-Kistlani asserts the fire to have been so vehement that no one could approach within two arrow-flights, and that it melted the outer half of a rock beyond the limits of the sanctuary, leaving the inner parts unscathed. The Kazi, the Governor, and the citizens engaged in devotional exercises, and during the whole length of the Thursday and the Friday nights, all, even the women and children, with bare heads wept round the Prophet’s tomb. Then the lava current turned northwards. (I remarked on the way to Ohod signs of a lava-field.) This current ran, according to some, three entire months. Al-Kistlani dates its beginning on Friday, 6 Jamadi al-Akhir, and its cessation on Sunday, 27 Rajab: in this period of fifty-two days he includes, it is supposed, the length of its extreme heat. That same year (A.H. 654) is infamous in Al-Islam for other portents, such as the inundation of Baghdad by the Tigris, and the burning of the Prophet’s Mosque. In the next year first appeared the Tartars, who slew Al-Mu’tasim Bi’llah, the Caliph, massacred the Moslems during more than a month, destroyed their books, monuments, and tombs, and stabled their war-steeds in the Mustansariyah College.
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