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Your pope can trace his roots back to the roman emperor, and even bear the same title as him pontifex maximus… Peter, bless his soul, was never a pope, he was a believer that became one of the leaders in the first jewish church. Remember, Petros means a piece of rock, not a large boulder (petra), like the one Jesus says he wil build His ‘church’.
No, your bible says Peter can trace his roots back to Jesus Christ.

“You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it”
There is no record of Ignatius in the scriptures,
Neither is there mentioned of Ellen Gould White. But the Church does have record of many early writings, that testify to the faith of the Church.
also there is no record of anything that we shall follow the bishop as Jesus does His Father. Jesus -never- stated such a thing… If that was true, shall we also follow the many catholic clergy who has molested small boys? I know that is a punch below the belt, but it is to illustrate a point… The catholic church claimes that the priest is a representative for christ, and should be followed like he was Jesus… Actions speak louder than words, but i do really believe that none of you would agree to follow the priest in such horrible acts like that…
Christ protects his Church from error on faith and morals. From sinners, not as much.
No not really suffering from anything like that…
Well, you have to ask yourself where do you get your sola scriptura belief? It’s not in scripture.
And yes, there was scriptures that were good for teaching salvation long before the new testament was written, the old testament was the scriptures that Paul talked about in this passage. It contains everything you need to understand the salvation that God offers us…Especially in the temple service teachings… You should know these things, being a christian.
You are Sola Old Testament?
Why add a cryptic word, and change the practice the Jesus started. Jesus never taught that he was going to be literally sacrificed every sunday for hundreds and thousands of years after his death and ressurection. That would be unbiblical, because he quite clearly states that he was to be sacrificed -once- for many. Not every sunday in the catholic church…
Your understanding of the mass is in error. Christ’s sacrifice is represented, he is not sacrificed again.
How can i quote something i tell you that is not there? I said, it is nowhere to be found that we are supposed to follow the bishops like Jesus does the Father.
Jesus Christ says to his apostles that “those who hear you, hear me and the one who sent me”…those who don’t listen, don’t hear Christ nor the Father. The Apostles are the first Bishops…and through the laying of hands gave ordination to their successors.
No not very catholic, very biblical. You follow a church that has changed a good deal of things found in scripture/the word of God. And a church that is disobedient to Christ is a church that is walking on -very- thin ice…
That is your opinion. Your church has strayed from 2,000 years of apostolic Church teaching, ignoring many of the sacraments that Christ established to give us grace for our salvation (led astray by a false prophet)
No, not so… The scripture tell us to follow Christ, not Ignatius, or any bishop that condones changing the scriptures to their own liking.
Christ said to eat his body and drink his blood…that it is real food…and you need to do so to have life within you. St. Ignatius understood this very well. 👍
There are several clear passages like this, the dead are dead, not conscious at all… Or does the church know better than the man Gods word states is the wisest man that ever lived?
You’ll have to explain then how Moses and Elijah appeared at the transfiguration and how thief on the cross was with Jesus in paradise the same day as the crucifixion.

I overslept this morning… felt really good.

PnP
 
True because I still get a kick out of watching other non-C’s react to your clear presentations of Catholic doctrine! 😛
Yep. I just wish Jon would pick up the pace. There are a few hundred threads here that still need to be addressed by him. 😃 It is obvious Protestants, in general, will not get the message from the common Catholic.:rolleyes:

Peace!!!
 

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You may also want to read this:
I may have missed it, but do you have a link for the document you quoted?

EC- I have read the joint declarations, the JDDJ and the FCC, and I am encouraged.

But I agree that it is a stretch to call anyone who is not in full Communion with Rome a Catholic.

The Orthodox want to call themselves “Orthodox Catholics”, the Lutherans want to call themselves “Evangelical Catholics”, and now the Baptists have taken to calling themselves “God’s Own Catholics”. It just doesn’t seem helpful to use the name Catholic so imprecisely.

(Okay. I made up the Baptist part, but you get my point. :p)
 
Demeaning statement inconsistent with your own Church. 🤷

There are many kinds of Americans. Canadians, Mexicans and US. citizens are all North Americans. Are Canadian any less American because the U.S. often calls itself American?
When a bunch of rioters overseas someplace are chanting “Death to America, Death to America”, they aren’t referring to Costa Rica.
 
Please prove your point. Quote from anything that says Lutherans are not part of the one holy catholic and apostolic church.
Do you accept the Pope as the universal head of the Church on earth?

If not, you’re not Catholic. It’s just that simple.
 
Preferably from a non Roman Catholic source.
Why? Are Catholics not permitted to define who is and isn’t a member of the Catholic Church.

Are we similarly to let illegals call themselves citizens and then live with their definition instead of ours?
 
Sorry but I have produced several documents even co-authored by the Roman Catholic bishop representing the Vatican claiming Lutherans profess the Catholic faith. Why don’t you produce a single document to the contrary?
lutheranworld.org/sites/default/files/From%20Conflict%20to%20Communion.pdf

Have you read this document cover to cover? There are many points of agreement between us, but much remains unresolved.

We’re getting closer and this is good, but you’re not quite Catholic, yet.
 
I** may have missed it, but do you have a link for the document you quoted?**
EC- I have read the joint declarations, the JDDJ and the FCC, and I am encouraged.

But I agree that it is a stretch to call anyone who is not in full Communion with Rome a Catholic.

The Orthodox want to call themselves “Orthodox Catholics”, the Lutherans want to call themselves “Evangelical Catholics”, and now the Baptists have taken to calling themselves “God’s Own Catholics”. It just doesn’t seem helpful to use the name Catholic so imprecisely.

(Okay. I made up the Baptist part, but you get my point. :p)
You once posted a thread on the document yourself. 😉
lutheranworld.org/sites/default/files/From%20Conflict%20to%20Communion.pdf

Here’s a recent statement from his holiness, Francis:
Vatican City, 21 October 2013 (VIS) - “I look with a sense of profound gratitude to Jesus Christ, at the many steps that have been taken in the relations between Lutherans and Catholics in recent decades, and not only through theological dialogue but also by means of brotherly collaboration in many pastoral fields and, above all, in commitment to progress in spiritual ecumenism” said the Pope, who this morning received in audience a delegation of the Lutheran World Federation and representatives from the Lutheran-Roman Catholic International Commission on Unity.
It is precisely this spiritual ecumenism that constitutes, in a certain sense, “the spirit of our journey towards full communion, and already allows us to reap certain fruit, even if it is still imperfect; insofar as, in approaching, with a humble spirit, Our Lord Jesus Christ, we are sure to move closer together, and insofar as by invoking the Lord’s gift of unity, we are sure that He will take us by the hand and will be our guide”.
This year marks fifty years of theological dialogue, and the anniversary of the fifth centenary of the Reformation is approaching. The Lutheran-Roman Catholic International Commission on Unity has therefore published the text “From conflict to communion: the Lutheran-Catholic interpretation of the Reformation in 2017”. The Pope underlined the importance for all to “meet each other in dialogue on the historical reality of the Reformation, on its consequences and the responses that should be given to it. Catholics and Lutherans can ask forgiveness for the harm they have done to each other and for their guilt before God, and together rejoice for the nostalgia for unity that the Lord has reawakened in our hearts, and which makes us look ahead with hope”.
“In the light of the journey through these recent decades, and of the many examples of brotherly communion between Lutherans and Catholics to which we are witnesses, and comforted by trust in the grace that is bestowed upon us by the Lord Jesus Christ, I am sure that we will be able to continue along our path of dialogue and communion”, he continued, “also facing fundamental questions, as well as divergences that arise in the anthropological and ethical fields. Certainly, there are and there will be difficulties, which will require further patience, dialogue, and mutual comprehension, but let us not be afraid! We are well aware, as Benedict XVI reminded us many times, that unity is not primarily the result of our efforts, but of the action of the Holy Spirit, to which we must open our hearts with trust in order that it might lead us along the paths to reconciliation and communion”.visnews-en.blogspot.com/2013/10/lutherans-and-catholics-from-conflict.html
 
You once posted a thread on the document yourself. 😉
lutheranworld.org/sites/default/files/From%20Conflict%20to%20Communion.pdf

Here’s a recent statement from his holiness, Francis:
Can we look at this another way EC…

In review of some of your posts here on CAF like:
I don’t know of any **Catholic or Anglican **parish that would not want you to take communion. There would be no objections in practice. The Real Presence of Christ is recognized; this wonderful gift to all present. Even little children sometimes take holy communion before receiving their First Communion; it is Christ’s Body & Blood whoever receives the Host/ Wine.

Anglicans would find the service almost identical to the Prayer Book; same for Lutherans.
and later in the same thread:
Mass is God coming to us and offer His most holy body and blood for all who believe. Once the words of institution are said, the very presence of Christ is physically among us. We kneel in awe, transported to the Upper Room with the holy apostles. A person cannot be considered **Lutheran or Catholic **unless he fully believes in this sacramental Union with our Lord.

That unity with Christ in the Eucharist is what is important for all catholics [Roman, Eastern, Anglican Lutheran].
What distinction are you referring to when you use the term "Catholic: here? Why make the distinction?

Peace!!!
 
Why? Are Catholics not permitted to define who is and isn’t a member of the Catholic Church.

Are we similarly to let illegals call themselves citizens and then live with their definition instead of ours?
Roman Catholics? No. They dont have the monopoly on the name.
 
lol

How close is reconciliation and full communion between Rome and Orthodoxy? That would clinch the deal. 👍

Jon
Jon,

I still don’t follow your logic here…heard it before but don’t follow the logic. ?

PnP
 
Jon,

I still don’t follow your logic here…heard it before but don’t follow the logic. ?

PnP
Think of it this way; would you say that, after a thousand years, a reconciliation between Rome and Orthodoxy that results in full communion would be nothing short of miraculous?
I would. Would you further say that, being it would be miraculous, the Holy Spirit, beyond denial, must have moved within the two communions for this to have happened? I would.
How could I then resist the event? The Spirit moves in His Church to bring unity, the dividing issues which, when speaking of ecclesiology are my main issue, are resolved. How or why would I resist?

Jon
 
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