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With me, it was the Eucharist rather than Baptism that won me over to Rome.
Here is how I made up my mind to come homeâŚ
Like convert999, I came from an evangelical background. My father was an unspecified Protestant who was raised Methodist but switched over to the Assemblies of God when his mother converted to the A/G. My mother was Catholic. How that happened, God only knows.
I was raised in the A/G church at the behest of my dadâs mom. The pastor was very well learned and understanding. However, as is typical of the A/G, the service was simply one of praise, with no consideration of penance or conversion, and with âCommunionâ being done once a month without any thought of WHY we were doing it. While everyone in the church knew who Jesus was and sincerely wanted a personal relationship with Him, no one was really sure of what that involved, except singing hymns and quoting individual verses of the Bible without any attempt to understand Scripture in context.
When my dadâs mom passed away, my family stopped attending church. In graduate school, I felt empty, and began attending a Lutheran (ELCA) church. Except for the one or two Masses that I had dropped in to for friend-of-family marriages, this was the first time that I had attended a liturgical church. So suddenly, all of the Churchâs history was playing out before me for the first time. And I became, as they said, deep in history.
The Lutherans confess the âSacramental Union:â that Christ is âin, with, and underâ the Gifts. However, the Lutherans believe that the bread and wine are still just thatâthat they donât actually become the body and blood of Christ. The pastor once described transubstantiation as âall kinds of weird Catholic things going on.â![Smiling face with smiling eyes :blush: đ](https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60a.png)
I would have accepted that, but I felt that something was wrong. Something didnât compute. And so, for the first time in my life, I set out to understand what Scripture really meant. I began to realize that the Lutheran âdung heapâ theology of the human soul (aka total depravity) was not Biblical. Lutherans believe that man is inherently corrupted and cannot be reconciled to Christ, but that by acceptance of Christ, the âdung heapâ becomes âcovered in pure snowâ and therefore justified. Why, then, does Christ call us to take up our crosses and follow him? Why does He tell us to keep the commandments, if we want to draw close to Him? Doesnât he just blanket us in grace, and then, thatâs it?
Sola fidei was something that I had always taken for granted, but I began to realize that there was some serious Biblical cherry-picking going on. The Lutherans were doing it, just like the A/G did. I decided to give Protestantism one last chance, and switched to a Methodist church upon graduating (since there were no ELCA churches available back home.)
Like in the A/G church, the pastor was gifted, charismatic, and sincere. But one day, he just dropped a whopper. He was holding a loaf of bread from the grocery store and preparing to âconsecrateâ it for âCommunion.â A Catholic parishioner asked if he would be welcome to take communion. The pastor resopnded, âwe believe that this is just symbolic. This is the Lordâs table, not mine, so everyone is welcome.â
I took a long look at John chapter 6, and the Methodistsâ tracts on Communion. Sure enough, the Methodists as a denomination do NOT teach that the Eucharist is symbolicâthey call it a sacrament. But like the Lutherans, they taught that the Real Presence was spiritual only. The Methodist pastor once said: âThe problem with non-denominationalist churches is that they have to go through the heresies again.â Why, then, are you putting us through Nestorianism again by dividing Christ up into body and spirit? And on top of that, the spiritual presence is âjust a symbol?â Where is that in the Methodist constitutions, and for that matter, the Bible?!
âBut the Bible does say the Eucharist is symbolic,â will say a Protestant in reply. âIt is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.â (John 6:63) So you are saying that the flesh of Jesus is of no avail? Then why did He have to be born of a virgin, become man, suffer and die for our sins? Thatâs a ridiculous conclusion, but thatâs what happens when you read the Bible as little verses in space with no context.
So then it hit me: All Protestantism is inherently a symbolic religion. The Eucharist is just symbolic. It follows that the Incarnation is also just symbolic. What else is symbolic? If you follow the snowball down the hill, this is where you end up.
Hereâs what I have come to believe: Protestants are Protestants because they are young in their faith. God uses Protestant churches as stepping stones, but to grow up, you have to stop being like the Jews in John 6 and accept the difficult teaching of the Eucharist. That is why the separated churches impel towards Catholic unity, as Lumen Gentium puts it.
So here I am, about to finish off RCIA and recieve the Sacraments of Initiation. Thatâs the story of Convert #1000.![Slightly smiling face :slight_smile: đ](https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png)
Letâs pray that our separated bretheren continue to grow in their faith and that God will open the Scriptures to them, and bring them home.
![Slightly smiling face :slight_smile: đ](https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png)
Like convert999, I came from an evangelical background. My father was an unspecified Protestant who was raised Methodist but switched over to the Assemblies of God when his mother converted to the A/G. My mother was Catholic. How that happened, God only knows.
I was raised in the A/G church at the behest of my dadâs mom. The pastor was very well learned and understanding. However, as is typical of the A/G, the service was simply one of praise, with no consideration of penance or conversion, and with âCommunionâ being done once a month without any thought of WHY we were doing it. While everyone in the church knew who Jesus was and sincerely wanted a personal relationship with Him, no one was really sure of what that involved, except singing hymns and quoting individual verses of the Bible without any attempt to understand Scripture in context.
When my dadâs mom passed away, my family stopped attending church. In graduate school, I felt empty, and began attending a Lutheran (ELCA) church. Except for the one or two Masses that I had dropped in to for friend-of-family marriages, this was the first time that I had attended a liturgical church. So suddenly, all of the Churchâs history was playing out before me for the first time. And I became, as they said, deep in history.
The Lutherans confess the âSacramental Union:â that Christ is âin, with, and underâ the Gifts. However, the Lutherans believe that the bread and wine are still just thatâthat they donât actually become the body and blood of Christ. The pastor once described transubstantiation as âall kinds of weird Catholic things going on.â
![Smiling face with smiling eyes :blush: đ](https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60a.png)
I would have accepted that, but I felt that something was wrong. Something didnât compute. And so, for the first time in my life, I set out to understand what Scripture really meant. I began to realize that the Lutheran âdung heapâ theology of the human soul (aka total depravity) was not Biblical. Lutherans believe that man is inherently corrupted and cannot be reconciled to Christ, but that by acceptance of Christ, the âdung heapâ becomes âcovered in pure snowâ and therefore justified. Why, then, does Christ call us to take up our crosses and follow him? Why does He tell us to keep the commandments, if we want to draw close to Him? Doesnât he just blanket us in grace, and then, thatâs it?
Sola fidei was something that I had always taken for granted, but I began to realize that there was some serious Biblical cherry-picking going on. The Lutherans were doing it, just like the A/G did. I decided to give Protestantism one last chance, and switched to a Methodist church upon graduating (since there were no ELCA churches available back home.)
Like in the A/G church, the pastor was gifted, charismatic, and sincere. But one day, he just dropped a whopper. He was holding a loaf of bread from the grocery store and preparing to âconsecrateâ it for âCommunion.â A Catholic parishioner asked if he would be welcome to take communion. The pastor resopnded, âwe believe that this is just symbolic. This is the Lordâs table, not mine, so everyone is welcome.â
I took a long look at John chapter 6, and the Methodistsâ tracts on Communion. Sure enough, the Methodists as a denomination do NOT teach that the Eucharist is symbolicâthey call it a sacrament. But like the Lutherans, they taught that the Real Presence was spiritual only. The Methodist pastor once said: âThe problem with non-denominationalist churches is that they have to go through the heresies again.â Why, then, are you putting us through Nestorianism again by dividing Christ up into body and spirit? And on top of that, the spiritual presence is âjust a symbol?â Where is that in the Methodist constitutions, and for that matter, the Bible?!
âBut the Bible does say the Eucharist is symbolic,â will say a Protestant in reply. âIt is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.â (John 6:63) So you are saying that the flesh of Jesus is of no avail? Then why did He have to be born of a virgin, become man, suffer and die for our sins? Thatâs a ridiculous conclusion, but thatâs what happens when you read the Bible as little verses in space with no context.
So then it hit me: All Protestantism is inherently a symbolic religion. The Eucharist is just symbolic. It follows that the Incarnation is also just symbolic. What else is symbolic? If you follow the snowball down the hill, this is where you end up.
Hereâs what I have come to believe: Protestants are Protestants because they are young in their faith. God uses Protestant churches as stepping stones, but to grow up, you have to stop being like the Jews in John 6 and accept the difficult teaching of the Eucharist. That is why the separated churches impel towards Catholic unity, as Lumen Gentium puts it.
So here I am, about to finish off RCIA and recieve the Sacraments of Initiation. Thatâs the story of Convert #1000.
![Slightly smiling face :slight_smile: đ](https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png)
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