Question for converts: What's your story?

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Sorry for boring everyone, I don’t get to talk to people much about my conversion as you can probably tell.

I hope that’s the longest post I will ever put on a thread! I promise to try hard not to babble and bore anyone again.
God speaks to me every single day; every time you read His word He is speaking. Everyday i listen to a sermon, God is speaking to me. If I go a day without reading, studying or hearing the word of God; it is not peasant. If you God to speak with you more, like everyday, then read the Bible.

I would recommend reading the longest prayer from Jesus we have recordein Holy Scripture. John 17.
searchgodsword.org/desk/?language=en&query=John+17&section=0&translation=nkj&oq=joh%252017&new=1&nb=joh&ng=17&ncc=17

These passages are so rich and so meaningful of you are part of God’s elect.

May God grant you His peace and joy!
 
My big-sister-at-church, whose ambition is to build an enormous, luxurious shelter for homeless women to teach them about beauty and God’s love and to be responsible and live clean, was waiting for a contest prize. You see, many people at church ahd given her signs, and just as they had decided they were about to start setting up the retreat using the prize, they set a price on their house and the next day a stranger came to their door, though the house had no sign, and offered the amount they were thinking of asking. They celebrated, cried, prayed, danced, whooped, packed and said goodbye – and someone else got the prize. They were just confused and tired. They fought. She had a drink… And soon enough they didn’t go to church much anymore, rarely answered the phone, rarely answered the door. They didn’t want to set a bad example being seen as they were, drinking, fighting and staying up all night.
I couldn’t understand it.
The new church system was the G-12 Vision, and the denomination our little nondenominational church was joining was Foursquare, which is Aimee Semple MacPherson’s organization that goes all the way back to the 1920’s. These aren’t connected organizations. Foursquare lets any church join that agrees with (I believe) ten points of doctrine. I don’t remember all of them. Foursquare wasn’t goign to influence us much; G-12 was going to redesign our life in a nine-month period. “It takes nine months to be born” they said. I was apprehensive. Everyone burst with excitement and I joined in automatically.
Right before my “sister” (my best friend in the church, who had guided me in) quit going, I’d gone to the women’s potluck to tell my history in hope God would use it to help others. I have quite a history. Some asked me for advice and seemed grateful, so it looked as if my real mission in the world had finally begun. Finally, my existence would do good.
A pastor and others said I ought to record my story for use in the library. I was afraid but felt guilty about being afraid, after all they had done for me because I would do great things for God. I went to a family’s house to record it. While there, I had a nervous tic. It happens sometimes. They summoned church leaders, who rushed over and urged me to get “delivered” as soon as possible. I was baffled. I wasn’t sure what delivered meant. I explained about the tic but this was not going to be accepted, it was as if I hadn’t said it. Somehow afraid and embarrassed that I didn’t need anything from them, I blurted out all my social awkwardness. I rambled about feeling inadequate and not having a close friend and feeling I was always doing something wrong. So they set up a healing, deliverance and discipling program for me. This was something apparently everyone was going to go through soon anyway, and I would get special attention as I was such a wreck.🤷
I thought that the sessions would be open to whatever I needed. I filled out forms about extremely personal stuff. The wording made it hard to answer correctly. It seemed impossible not to end up overstating and twisting things because of the way it was written.
Then I met with them. It was nighttime. The group smiled dewily at me and told me how they’d suffered for me because they loved me and that they had been through this too and it hadn’t hurt them. I signed away my physical safety after arguing awhile. I couldn’t imagine them hurting anyone, after all. They said some people just do things to hurt themselves and this is something the law group likes to nail down.
Then they asked me for a recovered memory, spoke to me like children singing kind of, held me, cried, screamed, lay me on the floor, urged me to relax while pacing around me shouting, barked at me whenever I reacted or shifted weight, and whenever I stopped paying attention. And I knew whatever I believed about what was happening would contradict something i’d heard there, and that doing so was disobedient and very dangerous. I lay in totally suspended judgment focused tightly on a dramatic scene I was not allowed to react to or unfocus from at all. In no time, it became as if their voices were from somewhere timeless and I struggled to sort out what they’d said from what I’d thought.
There were two of these. Other strange things happened, too, such as the urging to read a Rebecca Brown book and “see a lot in it that sounds familiar” and tell someone so. Rebecca Brown is a public speaker who says she is the only one who can combat a worldwide satanic conspiracy that includes what sounds like most people.:rolleyes: After two sessions I read the book and couldn’t tell what my mind was getting fromt he book and what I was remembering from my past and what was a dream I’d had or something. They had told me that I was to consider myself a new person after these meetings. Even innocuous parts of my identity were officially not part of me anymore. My “logic and analytical” traits were condemned and cast out.
I could go on and on. But I went through a preview of a longer and deeper rpocess they were alls cheduled to go through eventually, from what i can figure out by now.
I guess I’m still not at the part where I became Catholic.
 
God speaks to me every single day; every time you read His word He is speaking. Everyday i listen to a sermon, God is speaking to me. If I go a day without reading, studying or hearing the word of God; it is not peasant. If you God to speak with you more, like everyday, then read the Bible.

I would recommend reading the longest prayer from Jesus we have recordein Holy Scripture. John 17.
searchgodsword.org/desk/?language=en&query=John+17&section=0&translation=nkj&oq=joh%252017&new=1&nb=joh&ng=17&ncc=17

These passages are so rich and so meaningful of you are part of God’s elect.

May God grant you His peace and joy!
Thanks, NonCatholic! I actually read that very passage last night. 🙂 I speak to God all the time and He does speak back everytime I read the Scriptures. Something new that I never saw before usually pokes out of those words that I’ve read many times before, and that’s yet another thing I’m thankful for! :gopray:
 
Imcarol,

The Baptists are so far removed from anything that one could consider catholic (or Catholic) that it is surprising to me, a Lutheran, that you feel that you have a foot in each camp. The Baptists have no sacraments (their “ordinances” being construed in a way that makes of them mere acts of human piety without any conveyance objectively of grace at all, much less Christ’s regenerating Grace in Holy Baptism, and His Real Presence in the Eucharist).

We Lutherans, as well as Anglicans, and even Reformed and Presbyterian who take seriously their own Confessions (respectively, the Three Forms of Unity and the Westminster Standards), have varying conceptions of the objective nature and validity of the sacraments, but Baptists resolutely deny all of that. Baptists have no valid Holy Orders, having renounced the sacraments, even that of ordination, to which at least some Protestants cling however precariously.

What separates the Baptist sects from Islam, apart from an uncredal (hence inadequately founded) allegiance to the doctrine of the Trinity?

No, if you are Baptist, Roman Catholicism is so utterly different from what the Baptists espouse, that you should have less difficulty than a Lutheran, an Anglican, or even a Bucerian-tinged Calivinist in embracing Catholicism.

However, I understand the social pressures, nostalgia, and other matters of the heart that make change slow, even if as a Lutheran, it is hard to think of the Baptist System as even minimally worthy of such hesitations. Go for it, girl! Become Catholic. May we both arrive at Christ’s Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church in its fulness!

Jerry Parker
That was interesting diatribe on the Baptist. The problem is that the priesthood, tabernacle and altar were all done away with upon the death of Christ, which renders your religion as unbiblical; including the Eucharist. Therefore you have another gospel, which is probably why one feels so fulfilled with all the rituals and traditions that have expanded over the years; whereas the Biblical record is bland in comparison.
 
Wow, alot of great conversion stories! It’s amazing to see how God puts people and situations in our lives that bring us home. I am reminded of Romans 8:28 (And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose). It always reaffirms my own faith when I hear conversion stories, and it was my hope that someone else has the same reaction, too.



The pastor at a local Baptist church (although I suspect he would be horrified to know that) helped plant one of the biggest seeds when I was a little older, because this is when I first started reading more thoroughly about Catholicism, from actual Catholic sources. Being very anti-Catholic (at least one sermon a month would be about how “evil” Catholics were) he routinely would hand out tracts such as Jack Chick. I read them for a good laugh, but at the same time, I wondered about how much of the information on the pamphlets were true, so I began to read as much as I could on Catholicism.

God Bless!
Ericka
LOLOLOLOL:D My story is SO similar!

My Parents are athiests, and so I was never raised with any sort of religion. slowly, at around age 12, I started asking questions. As I learned about all the different faiths, I decided to make one big religion that encompassed doctrines from all other faiths. Then, I started studying the Bahai faith. I became interested, and thought I would become Bahai. At this time, I was reading all religious texts, and thought all religions were equally valid.

As I started reading though, I faced arguements that showed this was impossible. With all the different doctrines, some HAVE to be wrong. I started intensly studying the Christian faith, and accepted Christ into my heart.

I did go through one period of trial, though. After reading the Da Vinci Code, I believed some of the distorted truths presented in that retched toilet paper collection, and started reading all the wrong sorts of books. But, praise God, He brought me back. But some of those sins I committed during that period still haunt me.

THEN…

I was looking at anti-catholic websites like jesusissaviour and jesusislord and I thought “If this is what catholics believe, I need to do as much as I can to get them saved!” I was a protestant (nondenominational) at the time. SO I started reading other books explaining the faith. One book, the Roman catholic Controversy, had a few references to a convert, named Scott Hahn. He had written a book called ‘Rome Sweet Home’. I thought, ‘well, might as well see what I’ll be facing. Know Thine Enemy, so to speak.’

So…I read the book.

‘Well, maybe I should read some more, you know, just to be fair.’

I read more.

The rest…is history.

I have not enrolled in RCIA just yet, but plan to soon!

I’d thought about emailing the admin of those sites to thank her for her ‘help’. But I don’t feel like getting flooded with hate mail.

Praise be to God, who blesses those who seek for Him, and the Holy Mother Church which He has promised to never abandon!😃
 
Erika and Teen Traditionalist,

Yeah, those Chick Publications comix are almost bizarre at times in their portrayal of the Roman Catholic Church. The small, pocketable size comix-tracts are what most folks encounter. At least some are good (e.g. “This Was Your Life”, which confronts the reader with his own sin and need to repent), but most are far too stridently anti-catholic to have much value. The large, colour full size comix are more extended, but along the same line.

I saw Alberto Rivera, the purported former Jesuit priest, speak twice, in Montréal. He had a formidable pulpit presence. He was a dapperly handsome man, which helped that presence. His eyes, though, and facial expressions blazed with a madly bigotted zeal that was rather scary. I had the distinct impression that I was in the presence of one very determined charlatan and blazingly and demonically intense demagogue. I left the event feeling even less sure of the authenticity of what he said than when I had enterred. He was impressive, but either deranged or outright mendacious.

I just though that I would share that, as few of the Forum’s contributors probably in person ever encountered Alberto Rivera, whom Jack Chick in his publications so trumpetted and extolled.

Jerry Parker
 
Well, I saw the spiel on the building they wanted us all to help build. It was meant to “meet people’s needs”. It looked like a mall; the idea was to lure motorists in for coffee, a game of pool, a little shopping, and then they’d be wandering in a mall that they’d realize was a church because of sermons on the PA. It was ugly; besides, I’d been dreaming I was trapped in a mall that was my church, trying to get out. I hadn’t made the mental connection, but it disturbed me.
Disciplers were in short supply.
I had a little free time. I spent it researching and writing my life story. I knew I was advised to avoid some old friends, but I believe in truth. The orders I had included forgetting my past (if you’re confused you’re getting the feel for it). So, to be accurate in my book, I sought my old friends to verify details.
I also started a site to collect miracle accounts, and surfed Christian sites to pick up the style and standard and to network, to get stories to share. I learned how different we were from most churches. And, there were whole movements we were unaware of. And, some televangelists we liked didn’t have good reputations even among other Pentecostals. And I yearned for a real church. Yet I felt guilty and afraid to think of losing the wonderful family/army/mall/church I belonged to.
I was exhausted with the work of church, my job and my book, and it was hard to think.
One day it snowed and church was closed. A carpool to a related church left early. I missed it. I visited another kind of Evangelical church a few times starting then. I liked it in a way and didn’t in a way. I couldn’t possibly stand leaving my church however.
Half a year later, struggling to help with the new building and make connections that raised my status at church a tad, and feeling better, one Saturday afternoon I was surfing to debunk Dan Brown (a now-and-then pastime). Somehow, for the second time, I was at the CA home page. I felt I must get out. I started for the back button. My cursor stuck, and I had an intuitive sense that this wasn’t a sticky cursor. It was a sign I should read something. Nervous, cautious, I read a few pages. It held answers to many of my questions. More than that, a world opened up. A world of faith and logic in the same place; a world of authority that hadn’t just stolled down the pike declaring itself, but could point to something. A world of straight, clear argument; a world that doesn’t have to control your thoughts to help your faith.
I sat there sobbing for a long time.
It’s a blur.
Over weeks, my head pastor said something I recognized as a pre-emptive joke, testing the waters on openly putting us down. The push to hurry and get everyone signed onto Foursquare went too fast for me. Things started to stand out at church as not OK anymore – possibly dangerous levels of exhaustion spiritualized so that the person who should have been in bed under supervision was still expected to function after a screaming deliverance session; the expectation that everyone would pledge to the building fund yet have no say in what kind of building or where; the way there was only one way to pray; the anti-intellectualism; the lack of answers.
But, I thought, what matters is who’s right about how to interpret the Bible. I’ll hang around any group to get the truth.
I went to Mass with a Catholic who had been at my church awhile. I loved the reverence, the art and the beauty and then when I went up for a blessing I wanted to cry because I could feel it strongly, that the rest of the line was getting a bigger blessing.
I struggled, asked God daily to tell me – stay or go?
I asked a priest what he thought. He answered a slew of questions I had, some very inane, some harsh, but I was after the truth. He did a good job.
I got a book, Catholic Doctrine in Scripture, wrote a list of questions for pastors at my church, and started leaving phone messages about it.
Finally a friend talked a pastor into meeting me. She was angry. I’d never seen any of them like that in my three years. She snapped at me that I’d been there long enough to know what they expected of me and wasting their time with questions wasn’t it, and I should have just joined Foursquare with them and accepted what I was told. I stood there humiliated as she snapped that I should just go to the Catholic Church if I believed what it taught. This sounded like an ultimatum. I was frozen and dazed inside. I said I was trying to find out what to believe. She said they didn’t have time for that. I walked away, in a fog, and threw my Foursquare membership sheet in the trash, feeling out-of-body unreal, rebellious, unlovable yet coming to life on some silent level. I went home, curled up in the dark and lay nearly paralyzed in tears for hours, and it struck me I’d just asked God for a sign. And the pastor had said, “…you should go to the Catholic Church.”:idea:
Yet I prayed every day for certainty. It wasn’t a fear of Catholicism, but a fear of leaving the church I was in – unthinkable.
I looked at my RCIA schedule for the earliest lessons that might be hard to accept. I counted days to that point. When I finally got the pages, I read them like a legal brief, on my breaks and on the bus. It took days to decide whether I could accept it or not. But finally the preponderance of what scant evidence I had then said it was fine. My first confession wasn’t nearly as scary as I thought, I felt great afterward, and I also lucked out with a really wonderful sponsor. I prayed a rosary and it felt scary at first but it soon became the most natural thing in the world. I was probably about 50% sure I was swimming in September, 60% in November, 80% in December, 85% in January and before Ash Wednesday I knew I was coming in, and I couldn’t wait.
Easter Vigil blew my mind, a destination at the end of a great search. I danced on air for a month or more after.
 
Easter Vigil blew my mind, a destination at the end of a great search. I danced on air for a month or more after.
What a horror story that finally got you here! I can’t imagine going through what you did at that church! I have a feeling you felt like you were on another planet or something. I know I would have, but I still would have stuck around because I didn’t know any better and wanted to stick with what I thought was the truth.

Welcome home, survive! :hug3:
 
Welcome home, survive! :hug3:
Thank you!
You too!
And I get people into total meltdown rages when I try face to face apologetics, personally. I think some people expect a conversation to follow a mental script they have and when it doesn’t they exceed their frustration tolerance. But I don’t have to exceed mine. I just wait them out and then pick up where I left off – to the very syllable.😉
 
Sorry for boring everyone, I don’t get to talk to people much about my conversion as you can probably tell.

I hope that’s the longest post I will ever put on a thread! I promise to try hard not to babble and bore anyone again.
Welcome Home and God Bless, and you were NOT boring. In one way or another, we all have a “story” to tell and we see ourselves in some of the re-conversion stories, even if we didn’t ever “leave” the Church for awhile. I loved reading the books, “Surprised by Truth,” Vols. I, II, and III, by Patrick Madrid. Thanks, Memaw
 
I love watching “The Journey Home” on EWTN. I almost always see myslelf in their stories even though I may not have gone through them myself.

Thanks!

Snert
 
That was interesting diatribe on the Baptist. The problem is that the priesthood, tabernacle and altar were all done away with upon the death of Christ, which renders your religion as unbiblical; including the Eucharist. Therefore you have another gospel, which is probably why one feels so fulfilled with all the rituals and traditions that have expanded over the years; whereas the Biblical record is bland in comparison.
You need to read your Bible more carefully and prayerfully. Especially the New Testament. Then I suggest you read up or if possible even visit some of the Eucharistic Miracles there are in existence. There is a book out on them, "Eucharistic Miracles, God Bless, Memaw
 
Hi, Survive,

I am interested in your desire to pursue accounts of miracles, among Catholic ones, I assume, not Pentecostal fakery. I used to assume that Roman Catholic accounts of miracles and apparitions were all faked or demonic, but I am not so sure anymore.

I myself underwent a powerful Marian apparition, which came about when two fervidly Evangelical Anglicans in Montréal were trying to make me visualise Jesus. Instead, to their anti-Marian surprise, the Blessed Virgin appeared to me, a mysterious, mute but comforting (in her remarkable gestures) “Black Madonna”. I won’t go into details, because it is hard to know for sure that this really was an apparition, per se, but it went way, way beyond “guided imagery”, that is for sure!

Jerry Parker
 
Hi, Survive,

I am interested in your desire to pursue accounts of miracles, among Catholic ones, I assume, not Pentecostal fakery. I used to assume that Roman Catholic accounts of miracles and apparitions were all faked or demonic, but I am not so sure anymore.

I myself underwent a powerful Marian apparition, which came about when two fervidly Evangelical Anglicans in Montréal were trying to make me visualise Jesus. Instead, to their anti-Marian surprise, the Blessed Virgin appeared to me, a mysterious, mute but comforting (in her remarkable gestures) “Black Madonna”. I won’t go into details, because it is hard to know for sure that this really was an apparition, per se, but it went way, way beyond “guided imagery”, that is for sure!

Jerry Parker/QUOTE

God works in mysterious ways, HIS Wonders to perform.
 
Thank you!
You too!
And I get people into total meltdown rages when I try face to face apologetics, personally. I think some people expect a conversation to follow a mental script they have and when it doesn’t they exceed their frustration tolerance. But I don’t have to exceed mine. I just wait them out and then pick up where I left off – to the very syllable.😉
Take a deep breath, slow down and pray for the grace to be open to the Holy Spirit in dealing with others. Sometimes we have to do more praying than talking. You will learn as you go if you continue to keep the Faith. God Bless, Memaw
 
Thank you, Survive, Memaw, and all others who have shared their hearts here. I can totally relate about the “apologetics”. I think a lot of “dialogue” is just man’s sinful desire to be right and come out on top. Yesterday, I broke my becoming-a-Catholic news to a longtime friend with whom I have worked on community improvement projects. He is a Protestant pastor of the John MacArthur strain. (These folks all want a Pope, they just won’t admit it.) Some really just love to argue; I don’t, and besides, my move to Catholicism was as the result of the goad of the Holy Spirit, not the Holy Intellect.

My friend took the news pretty well. He asked if he could make a few remarks to me without offending me. I said yes, of course, and just listened without engaging, because for one, I could never “win” an argument with him and don’t care to try, and my purpose for this meeting was not to “dialogue” about my move to Catholicism. It was to check in with him and find out if he preferred that I withdrew from consideration for a position for which he had proposed me. I would have gladly done this in the interests of peace, but he came nowhere near asking it. He is a fine person who has been a great source of stability in the community.

Bottom line for me with raging Protestant apologists: our Lord meant exactly what He said regarding turning the other cheek, going the second mile, and MERCY. I pray to be filled with these attributes. This includes people who try to overwhelm me in conversation because I am a woman and they think they have that right. Love covers a multitude of sins. I don’t have to prove my Bible knowledge. I have learned so much in the Catholic church about love and sacrifice, that somehow didn’t seem as important in the Protestant churches I attended. Becoming a Catholic is the fullfillment of all my years of being a Christian. Love and Peace to you all.
 
Thank you, Survive, Memaw, and all others who have shared their hearts here. I can totally relate about the “apologetics”. I think a lot of “dialogue” is just man’s sinful desire to be right and come out on top. Yesterday, I broke my becoming-a-Catholic news to a longtime friend with whom I have worked on community improvement projects. He is a Protestant pastor of the John MacArthur strain. (These folks all want a Pope, they just won’t admit it.) Some really just love to argue; I don’t, and besides, my move to Catholicism was as the result of the goad of the Holy Spirit, not the Holy Intellect.

My friend took the news pretty well. He asked if he could make a few remarks to me without offending me. I said yes, of course, and just listened without engaging, because for one, I could never “win” an argument with him and don’t care to try, and my purpose for this meeting was not to “dialogue” about my move to Catholicism. It was to check in with him and find out if he preferred that I withdrew from consideration for a position for which he had proposed me. I would have gladly done this in the interests of peace, but he came nowhere near asking it. He is a fine person who has been a great source of stability in the community.

Bottom line for me with raging Protestant apologists: our Lord meant exactly what He said regarding turning the other cheek, going the second mile, and MERCY. I pray to be filled with these attributes. This includes people who try to overwhelm me in conversation because I am a woman and they think they have that right. Love covers a multitude of sins. I don’t have to prove my Bible knowledge. I have learned so much in the Catholic church about love and sacrifice, that somehow didn’t seem as important in the Protestant churches I attended. Becoming a Catholic is the fullfillment of all my years of being a Christian. Love and Peace to you all.
You are a wonderful example to all of us, sometimes we “born” Catholics take our Faith for granted and become lazy, you had to fight the good fight to get far ahead of us in the Faith. God Bless you and pray for us!! As we will continue to pray for you.
Memaw
 
Memaw, I had to take the time to say that your response has brought me to tears. “Far ahead of us in the Faith”–I doubt it! I have always thought that God counts by ones and there are no comparisons, anyway. Life is just us and Him. Thank you for your kindness–please pray for my husband, who still goes to Calvary Chapel, but who is incredibly kind and supportive. Since we were both previously married two annulments are necessary before I can take Communion. This is quite a process. In the course of this my husband has met with the priest, which went quite well, and he has also come to two pancake breakfasts which required him to do somersaults of scheduling. I wonder what’s up and what’s getting through to him that he’s not talking about. I never harangue him. He is 67 years old and in poor health. I know that God is patient and kind, for He is love (1 Corinthians 13). Grace and Peace to you.
 
Thank you, Survive, Memaw, and all others who have shared their hearts here. I can totally relate about the “apologetics”. I think a lot of “dialogue” is just man’s sinful desire to be right and come out on top. Yesterday, I broke my becoming-a-Catholic news to a longtime friend with whom I have worked on community improvement projects. He is a Protestant pastor of the John MacArthur strain. (These folks all want a Pope, they just won’t admit it.) Some really just love to argue; I don’t, and besides, my move to Catholicism was as the result of the goad of the Holy Spirit, not the Holy Intellect.

My friend took the news pretty well. He asked if he could make a few remarks to me without offending me. I said yes, of course, and just listened without engaging, because for one, I could never “win” an argument with him and don’t care to try, and my purpose for this meeting was not to “dialogue” about my move to Catholicism. It was to check in with him and find out if he preferred that I withdrew from consideration for a position for which he had proposed me. I would have gladly done this in the interests of peace, but he came nowhere near asking it. He is a fine person who has been a great source of stability in the community.

Bottom line for me with raging Protestant apologists: our Lord meant exactly what He said regarding turning the other cheek, going the second mile, and MERCY. I pray to be filled with these attributes. This includes people who try to overwhelm me in conversation because I am a woman and they think they have that right. Love covers a multitude of sins. I don’t have to prove my Bible knowledge. I have learned so much in the Catholic church about love and sacrifice, that somehow didn’t seem as important in the Protestant churches I attended. Becoming a Catholic is the fullfillment of all my years of being a Christian. Love and Peace to you all.
That is heart breaking to me.
 
Thanks, Mewaw, for your short comment about my experience with what seemed to be a Marian apparition. At times I wonder, thinking back on that experience, if I “flipped out” momentarily! Our Lady appeared to me, I am fairly certain, because I felt too unworthy at that time to summon up an image of Our Saviour, her Son. So, rather than to leave me “high and dry”, Our Lady appeared to console me with her love, expressed physically quite markedly even if she kept mute, her appearance being rather to the chagrin to the two charismatic/neo-Evangelical Anglican “witch doctors” (for whom anything to do with Our Lady was all “Mariolatry”) who purportedly were counselling me.

Jerry Parker
 
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