Question for converts: What's your story?

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Memaw,

Well, I hope that you are right about the upgrade in episcopal quality in the Gringo prelacy. It does take time to turn around the accumulation of bad choices for elevation to the episcopacy; however, a lot of those clerical “lemons” were, in fact, approved by John-Paul II, who, bless his heart, was too trusting, and who had to learn his lessons the hard way.

I do think that Benedict XVI has sounder judgment that J.-P. II. He questions more those around him and he is pushing harder than J.-P. II to restore some order and beauty to the liturgy, 1962 Missale Romanum and Novus Ordo alike, and to clean up the Augean Stables of the Roman Church, with less of the the timidity (but still too much of the gradualism, I think), that so beset his predecessor. It is just that one has grown impatient after so many decades in the “wilderness” of post-Vat II ugliness, dreariness, compromise, and decay! Those of us, admittedly “getting long in the tooth” by now, who remember better times simply cannot look upon either of these two popes as worthy of the likes of Pius XI and Pius XII.

Jerry Parker
 
I will offer a contrasting viewpoint … the weaknesses of some clergy and bishops actually witnesses to the true power behind the Church. The Church will thrive and survive in spite of those not because of those.

By all accounts the Church could have folded many times but it has not testifying to Jesus’s promise the gates of hell will never prevail.

Think about it.
You are so right ncgolf, the church is not made up entirely of Saints, not even the hierarchy, never has been and never will be, (even the 12 Apostles had a traitor among them). The problem is we have to many people that think they know more than the Holy Spirit in guiding the Church thru the centuries. Where is our faith in the promise of JESUS that the "Gates of Hell will not prevail against HIS Church? " Every time the Church goes thru a crisis, it comes out purer and stronger and still teaching the same truths. Some of the Church’s biggest enemies have come from within Her, but they pass into History and the Church still marches on. My faith is in Christ’s One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church and the Holy Spirit guiding Her. God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw,

Well, I hope that you are right about the upgrade in episcopal quality in the Gringo prelacy. It does take time to turn around the accumulation of bad choices for elevation to the episcopacy; however, a lot of those clerical “lemons” were, in fact, approved by John-Paul II, who, bless his heart, was too trusting, and who had to learn his lessons the hard way.

I do think that Benedict XVI has sounder judgment that J.-P. II. He questions more those around him and he is pushing harder than J.-P. II to restore some order and beauty to the liturgy, 1962 Missale Romanum and Novus Ordo alike, and to clean up the Augean Stables of the Roman Church, with less of the the timidity (but still too much of the gradualism, I think), that so beset his predecessor. It is just that one has grown impatient after so many decades in the “wilderness” of post-Vat II ugliness, dreariness, compromise, and decay! Those of us, admittedly “getting long in the tooth” by now, who remember better times simply cannot look upon either of these two popes as worthy of the likes of Pius XI and Pius XII.

Jerry Parker
I personally wouldn’t be to quick to judge our Popes, after all, they are infallible and we aren’t, when it comes to guiding the Church.
 
You are so right ncgolf, the church is not made up entirely of Saints, not even the hierarchy, never has been and never will be, (even the 12 Apostles had a traitor among them). The problem is we have to many people that think they know more than the Holy Spirit in guiding the Church thru the centuries. Where is our faith in the promise of JESUS that the "Gates of Hell will not prevail against HIS Church? " Every time the Church goes thru a crisis, it comes out purer and stronger and still teaching the same truths. Some of the Church’s biggest enemies have come from within Her, but they pass into History and the Church still marches on. My faith is in Christ’s One, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic Church and the Holy Spirit guiding Her. God Bless, Memaw
We are the Church Militant … we fight … we recognize we are in a battle … there are forces inside and outside the Church bent not on it’s destruction per se but on the destruction of the individual soul.

You are right in saying our reliance should be on Jesus’s testimony to get us through not only this current crises but any crises we encounter as individuals.
 
McGolf and Memaw,

This argument, long one of apologists to defend the Roman Catholic Church against the taint of its own checkered history, is one that I think applies fully to Eastern Orthodoxy, but not so much to Roman Catholicism.

The Eastern Orthodox Church, indeed, has braved the Jaws of Hell, especially and most recently in the Communist era and in long centuries of resistance to submitting to Islamic secular overlords. What the R.C.C. has endured, by comparison, is much less to have been confronting!

I gladly admit, though, that the inadequacy of Protestantism and sectarianism is evident when compared to the rich spiritual life of the Roman Catholic Church, even at its lowest ebb!

This argument, that its own faults attest to the Church’s ability to endure, smacks of “triumphalism” and unrepentence. One must never forget that Christ’s saints are to be known by “their fruits”. At any event, it is our Lord’s Grace that always has sustained the Church, despite all odds, not inherent ecclesial virtue.

Jerry Parker
 
Hi
I hope this is the place to talk about this. I read some of the stories but do not have time to go through them all. I’m not actually converted, but considering. So uh here is my story and I’m looking for help/guidance/advice.
I went to Presbyterian church when I was young, when I reached 12ish my mother gave me the choice to continue or not, and being a teenager, I decided no I wanted to sleep in! My faith in high school was pretty much non-existent. Then when I got to University and I took a job as a caf worker at a Pentecostal Bible College, I became friends with the people there. I attended their chapel, but never quite made the leap. When that job ended, I tried to join the Christian group on my campus, but it conflicted with my classes and things.
It’s been a few years since then and now I’ve started dating a Catholic. He’s put no pressure, and has told me he doesn’t want me to convert if I don’t truly believe because that is not right. I am doing my best to respect his beliefs. I’m hesitant to attend his church and I don’t know any other Catholics.
I want to know if anyone else here has started a conversion because they dated someone? I won’t join a faith that doesn’t ring true in my heart just to be with someone, but how will I know if I really believe or if my feelings are swaying me? Is it wrong that without dating him I wouldn’t have even considered Catholicism? (It’s true, I was trying to find where I belong and never thought about Catholicism).
How exactly does this work?
 
McGolf and Memaw,

This argument, long one of apologists to defend the Roman Catholic Church against the taint of its own checkered history, is one that I think applies fully to Eastern Orthodoxy, but not so much to Roman Catholicism.
We do have to own up to the transgressions of the members … and everyone can have an opinion.
The Eastern Orthodox Church, indeed, has braved the Jaws of Hell, especially and most recently in the Communist era and in long centuries of resistance to submitting to Islamic secular overlords.
Read the story of John Paul II … from the evils of both Nazism and Communism … you don’t think the culture wars here in our country are as difficult. Just because you do not face an enemy from the tip of a bayonet or a boot does not diminish the evils of the enemy you do face.
What the R.C.C. has endured, by comparison, is much less to have been confronting!
ok … and your point is.
I gladly admit, though, that the inadequacy of Protestantism and sectarianism is evident when compared to the rich spiritual life of the Roman Catholic Church, even at its lowest ebb!
While sounding comfronting … it is humbling to admit the Church has had to endure “low ebbs.”
This argument, that its own faults attest to the Church’s ability to endure, smacks of “triumphalism” and unrepentence.
Well the Church does have the Church Trimuphant but as of yet I am not one of the members. Right now we have triumphed over nothing … we are an enduring people …a militant people.
At any event, it is our Lord’s Grace that always has sustained the Church, despite all odds, not inherent ecclesial virtue.
My point exactly … the Church is made up of sinners … our feeble man made attempts to witness the good news can do nothing without the grace provided by Jesus.
 
McGolf and Memaw,

This argument, long one of apologists to defend the Roman Catholic Church against the taint of its own checkered history, is one that I think applies fully to Eastern Orthodoxy, but not so much to Roman Catholicism.

The Eastern Orthodox Church, indeed, has braved the Jaws of Hell, especially and most recently in the Communist era and in long centuries of resistance to submitting to Islamic secular overlords. What the R.C.C. has endured, by comparison, is much less to have been confronting!

I gladly admit, though, that the inadequacy of Protestantism and sectarianism is evident when compared to the rich spiritual life of the Roman Catholic Church, even at its lowest ebb!

This argument, that its own faults attest to the Church’s ability to endure, smacks of “triumphalism” and unrepentence. One must never forget that Christ’s saints are to be known by “their fruits”. At any event, it is our Lord’s Grace that always has sustained the Church, despite all odds, not inherent ecclesial virtue.

Jerry Parker
Correct me if I’m wrong but I do believe that ncgolf was giving Jesus all the credit. God Bless, Memaw
 
Evamarie, of course it is not wrong to consider the Catholic Church just because you are dating a Catholic. There are no coincidences with God. The Holy Spirit works in many ways to bring us to the point you are sitting in. For sure you would not want to become Catholic just to please someone else, but now you can consider it. You will know whether or not you are falling in love with the Church. You are in the correct place to ask questions, so continue.
In His service,
Stan
 
Thank you Stan, your comments are very thoughtful and appreciated. I have wondered in the back of my mind if perhaps this was God’s way of showing me a path to him and perhaps using my relationship as a signpost. I hope I can know the right thing to do. Sometimes it’s hard to determine what God wants of me. I think I get it right and then it seems I was wrong or only half-right.
It’s pretty scary.
~Eva
 
… however, a lot of those clerical “lemons” were, in fact, approved by John-Paul II…

I do think that Benedict XVI has sounder judgment that J.-P. II.
The evidence and the Magisterium are clear that the popes’ infallibility applies only to matters of faith and morals, not to church government, such as the appointment of bishops. :gopray2:

:blessyou:
 
Hi
I hope this is the place to talk about this. I read some of the stories but do not have time to go through them all. I’m not actually converted, but considering. So uh here is my story and I’m looking for help/guidance/advice.
I went to Presbyterian church when I was young, when I reached 12ish my mother gave me the choice to continue or not, and being a teenager, I decided no I wanted to sleep in! My faith in high school was pretty much non-existent. Then when I got to University and I took a job as a caf worker at a Pentecostal Bible College, I became friends with the people there. I attended their chapel, but never quite made the leap. When that job ended, I tried to join the Christian group on my campus, but it conflicted with my classes and things.
It’s been a few years since then and now I’ve started dating a Catholic. He’s put no pressure, and has told me he doesn’t want me to convert if I don’t truly believe because that is not right. I am doing my best to respect his beliefs. I’m hesitant to attend his church and I don’t know any other Catholics.
I want to know if anyone else here has started a conversion because they dated someone? I won’t join a faith that doesn’t ring true in my heart just to be with someone, but how will I know if I really believe or if my feelings are swaying me? Is it wrong that without dating him I wouldn’t have even considered Catholicism? (It’s true, I was trying to find where I belong and never thought about Catholicism).
How exactly does this work?
When my son and wife started dating, 22 years ago, he invited her to go to Mass with him and she did. She said it took a little getting used to but she liked it and continued going. Later when they were engaged and planning their wedding, he asked her if she would take a class of instructions as she had already agreed to raise the children Catholic and that way she would understand better why. He told her it would be entirely up to her if she decided to become Catholic. And Fr. assured her she would be under NO pressure either way. Not only did she fall in love with the Church but she brought her best friend and bridesmaid in too. They are both very faithful Catholics and have helped others return to the faith. You’ll never know until you learn about the Faith for yourself if it will “ring true in your heart”. Give it a chance. God does work in mysterious ways. God Bless, Memaw
 
Augustine,

You said: The evidence and the Magisterium are clear that the popes’ infallibility applies only to matters of faith and morals, not to church government, such as the appointment of bishops

Well, that was not the point in my comments about the imprudence of the current Pontiff and recently deceased Pope. Of course, the doctrine of papal infallibility (whatever one thinks of it in other contexts) is not at stake in the comments that I posted, only the undeservedly hagiographical reputation of two popes who “could not hold a candle” to their pre-Vat. II predecessors whose pontificates were in the 20th century. One does not have to become so defensive! The faith is greater than papal wisdom and, thank God, papal folly!

Jerry Parker
 
Memaw, Augustine, and others,

After so much sidetracking about matters to do with the popes, their foibles, frequent papal and episcopal mediocrity in recent times, etc., I want this time to point out one of the most signal differences between the real spirit of Catholicism (whether Eastern Orthodox, Eastern Catholic, or Roman Catholic), on the one hand, and of Protestant and sectarian religiousity, on the other: namely spirituality, prayer, and mysiticism. Protestants and sectarians are so horribly literalist, or, even if not that, so unremittingly didactic! Prayer is not their language, at least, not a language that comes forth naturally or with much richness of utterance. Protestant and sectarian Christianity’s natural mode of verbalisation is prose of the flattest sort; when Protestants and sectarians give vent to poetry it is so often trite, sentimental, or itself stiffly didactic as to impel one to cringe or to yawn. Protestant and sectarian extemporised prayer most often is one round of clichés, of platitudes, and of banal blah-blah-blah after another!

Anglicans and Lutherans, many Presbyterians, too (at least so long as their spirit and sense of language has not been wilted and downgraded by too much exposrue to trendily blighted modern liturgies and modern Bible version language) have had a natural ability to formulate prayer in a noble and dignified manner. It helps to have been deeply immersed in Anglicans’ and Lutherans’ liturgical mode of formulating prayer according to the elevated language of Cranmer’s Book of Common Prayer. That is good, but even prayer that echoes such language can be but a pale shadow of the beauty of the content and expression of Catholic and Orthodox piety, especially when they also cultivate beauty of expression.

One thing that struck me forcibly in my days of attending Lutheran and Evangelical Anglican services, was the sheer loveliness and serene devotion in volumes of Eucharistic devotions by Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox writers (not referring to the prayers of the liturgy read aloud, but to the private prayer devotions for those in the pew). I had (and still have) many volumes of Eucharistic devotions, but the most freely and naturally expressed are the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox ones or those by non-Catholic authors most imbued with Catholic spirit (as so many “Anglo-Catholic” prayers are).

There is a lack among Protestants and the sects of, and even a downright hostility to, anything mystical. (As Lutherans so often intone, to condemn what is less than didactic or expository, “mysticism begins in ‘mist’, centres on ‘I’, and ends in ‘schism’.”) The preoccupation with doctrine at its most didactically formulated, the relentlessly narrow “biblicism” of Protestant and sectarian religious writing, and the dilution or outright abhorrence of sacramentality, inhibit growth of spirituality and of a freely flowing contemplation of the Sacred Truths. How many are the truly great “spiritual writers” of Protestantism? There are some, and some moments in Protestant history saw a brief flourishing of such writing to more marked degree than usual, but, for the most part, Protestantism and, especially, sectarianism, are shallow, barren of expression, and inhibited in discoursing of God and with God.

The sentimentality of much popular Roman Catholic spiritual and devotional writing can be off-putting at times, but even such saccharine mode of rendering the soul’s aspirations and love of God and of His Blessed Mother do encourage a spontaneity of response to, and ability to glide with, the promptings of the Holy Spirit. I cherish the popular novenas and litanies due to their generosity of feeling and spirit. They complement and offset so sweetly the more august mysteries of the Holy Sacraments as they are formulated in the 1962 (or older Tridentine) Missal and other service books.

How many converts surely come to the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches simply to find “breathing space” and utterance for the soul’s inmost and deepest aspirations!

Jerry Parker
 
Memaw, Augustine, and others,

After so much sidetracking about matters to do with the popes, their foibles, frequent papal and episcopal mediocrity in recent times, etc., I want this time to point out one of the most signal differences between the real spirit of Catholicism (whether Eastern Orthodox, Eastern Catholic, or Roman Catholic), on the one hand, and of Protestant and sectarian religiousity, on the other: namely spirituality, prayer, and mysiticism. Protestants and sectarians are so horribly literalist, or, even if not that, so unremittingly didactic! Prayer is not their language, at least, not a language that comes forth naturally or with much richness of utterance. Protestant and sectarian Christianity’s natural mode of verbalisation is prose of the flattest sort; when Protestants and sectarians give vent to poetry it is so often trite, sentimental, or itself stiffly didactic as to impel one to cringe or to yawn. Protestant and sectarian extemporised prayer most often is one round of clichés, of platitudes, and of banal blah-blah-blah after another!

Anglicans and Lutherans, many Presbyterians, too (at least so long as their spirit and sense of language has not been wilted and downgraded by too much exposrue to trendily blighted modern liturgies and modern Bible version language) have had a natural ability to formulate prayer in a noble and dignified manner. It helps to have been deeply immersed in Anglicans’ and Lutherans’ liturgical mode of formulating prayer according to the elevated language of Cranmer’s Book of Common Prayer. That is good, but even prayer that echoes such language can be but a pale shadow of the beauty of the content and expression of Catholic and Orthodox piety, especially when they also cultivate beauty of expression.

One thing that struck me forcibly in my days of attending Lutheran and Evangelical Anglican services, was the sheer loveliness and serene devotion in volumes of Eucharistic devotions by Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox writers (not referring to the prayers of the liturgy read aloud, but to the private prayer devotions for those in the pew). I had (and still have) many volumes of Eucharistic devotions, but the most freely and naturally expressed are the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox ones or those by non-Catholic authors most imbued with Catholic spirit (as so many “Anglo-Catholic” prayers are).

There is a lack among Protestants and the sects of, and even a downright hostility to, anything mystical. (As Lutherans so often intone, to condemn what is less than didactic or expository, “mysticism begins in ‘mist’, centres on ‘I’, and ends in ‘schism’.”) The preoccupation with doctrine at its most didactically formulated, the relentlessly narrow “biblicism” of Protestant and sectarian religious writing, and the dilution or outright abhorrence of sacramentality, inhibit growth of spirituality and of a freely flowing contemplation of the Sacred Truths. How many are the truly great “spiritual writers” of Protestantism? There are some, and some moments in Protestant history saw a brief flourishing of such writing to more marked degree than usual, but, for the most part, Protestantism and, especially, sectarianism, are shallow, barren of expression, and inhibited in discoursing of God and with God.

The sentimentality of much popular Roman Catholic spiritual and devotional writing can be off-putting at times, but even such saccharine mode of rendering the soul’s aspirations and love of God and of His Blessed Mother do encourage a spontaneity of response to, and ability to glide with, the promptings of the Holy Spirit. I cherish the popular novenas and litanies due to their generosity of feeling and spirit. They complement and offset so sweetly the more august mysteries of the Holy Sacraments as they are formulated in the 1962 (or older Tridentine) Missal and other service books.

How many converts surely come to the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches simply to find “breathing space” and utterance for the soul’s inmost and deepest aspirations!

Jerry Parker
Maybe you should check with Catholic Answers for information on many of the things that trouble you, I am sorry you find soooo much fault with our beloved Popes. I have lived thru many of them, starting with Pius the XII and although I was born during Pius XI, I was to little to remember him. They were all Holy and beloved Popes, chosen by the Holy Spirit to lead us thru the troubled times of their Pontificate. The Holy Spirit DOES know what HE is doing even if we can’t see it. Sometimes we let our narrow little wants blind us from seeing the whole picture of God’s Holy Will. I follow the Catholic Church and her Pope, guided by the Holy Spirit for 2,000 years, thru all kinds of trials, heresies, schisms, persecutions etc. I pray every day for Christian Unity, TRUE Christian Unity. That is what Our Lord wanted and prayed for himself. I doubt we will ever have peace until we are all ONE in HIM. HIS will not ours.
God Bless, Memaw
 
I read through a lot of your stories, I am a cradle Catholic and I can tell you that you people have made me cry, laugh, have amazed me with how many different ways our good Lord called you all home.

Praise God from whom all blessings flow!!

Sometimes I catch the Journey Home show on EWTN and Marcus Grodi has different people on his show that share their conversion stories, here is a link for those of you who aren’t aware of it:

ewtn.com/journeyhome/index.asp

Thank you all for sharing.
 
I just stumbled across this thread and would like to share my story. Unfortunately, I don’t have the time now to relate everything that happened to bring me into the Catholic Church at last year’s Easter Vigil. But as a place holder, let me briefly relate that I was born in Idaho, raised in Utah, and was a sixth generation Mormon who graduated from seminary, went on a two-year Mormon mission (yes, I wore a white shirt, black name tag, and rode a bicycle), and was married in the Salt Lake city temple. My journey from Mormonism to my decision to cross the Tiber last March is a long, complicated story. I’ll share it when I have more time. Stay tuned…
 
I just stumbled across this thread and would like to share my story. Unfortunately, I don’t have the time now to relate everything that happened to bring me into the Catholic Church at last year’s Easter Vigil. But as a place holder, let me briefly relate that I was born in Idaho, raised in Utah, and was a sixth generation Mormon who graduated from seminary, went on a two-year Mormon mission (yes, I wore a white shirt, black name tag, and rode a bicycle), and was married in the Salt Lake city temple. My journey from Mormonism to my decision to cross the Tiber last March is a long, complicated story. I’ll share it when I have more time. Stay tuned…
Welcome Home and I will be waiting to hear your story!! God Bless, Memaw
 
Oh, I love threads where I get to give my testimony! 🙂

I was brought up in a loosely Christian family, was dragged to Sunday School as a kid, when I got too old to go, my parents stopped going too.

As a teenager, I experimented with the occult and paganism (bad idea) looking for some way I could plug in to something. My aunt, a very committed Christian, died when I was 17, and I immediately knew I had to pray for her soul (not something I’d ever been taught to do as a Presbyterian).

Anyway, I got down on my knees, then started going back to church just to see what it was all about, started reading the Bible, got involved in the Christian Union at my University when I was a student, attended an Evangelical church. There always seemed to be something missing, the question of how to ‘do’ Christianity, how to live it as more than an intellectual exercise. So many times in the Gospel, the writers seemed to just say “Jesus sat down and taught the crowds” without saying what He taught them, and that led me away from the whole ‘sola scriptura’ thing.

From the age of 18, I had felt this odd call to become a monk. I knew nothing about monasticism, and ignored it for a long time. I had an experience one night where I had a vision of falling into hell, and the experience never really left me. I finally acted on it at the age of 23, spent some time with the Anglican Franciscans, read about the life of St Francis, saw how they lived, was impressed. I spent a week with their Novice Guardian, the first question he asked me was “do you want to become a monk?” My answer was no. I’d never asked that question before. I’d always imagined a calling was something God did, whether we wanted it or not. I was surprised he even asked, but I knew right away I was on the wrong track, at least for now.

Barely a month after that realisation, I met a girl and fell in love, she was a practicing Wiccan and I was a bit worried about that. She agreed to read the Bible again just to understand where I was coming from, and from that she ended up becoming Catholic! At the same time, my own church was going through some problems with leadership and authority, and I knew I needed to change. At that time, I thought the Catholic Church was as good a church as any, and started going along. We were engaged, but things didn’t work out.

On Corpus Christi 2007, at the procession, I suddenly realised this really IS the Body of Christ and I wanted to just fall down on my face and cry. This was the Jesus I’d been trying to worship all those years and had never quite known how. Here He was. From that point on, I couldn’t get away from faith, even if I’d wanted to (and I can’t deny there were times I wanted to run away and pretend it never happened). I was received into the Church at Easter 2008. Alleluia!
 
As my former Methodist minister recently told my priest, I had an interesting journey. I was raised a “heathen” by militantly athiestic parents. We were not allowed to attend church with friends or relatives. Any questions I had about chuches and religion were met with utter disdain. Only stupid people believe in God. In spite of their influence I always knew God existed and always felt his presence in my life.

My parents did attend Unitarian church as it has no real creed or beliefs. It was more of a social club for intellectuals (they were college professors). I found it lacking in anything inspirational although the members were all nice people. A Methodist minister gave a talk about his church vs Unitarianism and I was very inspired by John Wesley and his “Do all the good you can for as many as you can for as long as you can.” I always felt that religion was faith in action not simply words. So I joined the Methodist church and was very active for a number of years. Over time their disconnected beliefs started to bother me. They are very anti death penalty but very open to abortion. As I became more and more pro life I found it impossible to stay a Methodist. But I didn’t know where I belonged.

God has a plan though. As I look back I realized God put Catholics “in my face.” I met a convert at a healing retreat and I was somehow inspired to ask her how she became a Catholic. I work at a Catholic hospital and saw the commitment to treating the poor and helpless. One of my doctors was a devout Catholic and I thought he was one of the finest, kindest persons I’d ever met.

One day I was driving home from the Methodist church having just engaged in a furious argument with the minister and a women’s group about the right to “choose” (death). I was devasted and thought I can’t go back to that place again. As I was driving down Cornelius Pass Road I got the message “You are a Catholic” It was as clear as if a passenger in my car made the statement. As soon as I got home I got online and started researching the conversion process.

That was in 2005 and I am so blessed that God didn’t give up on me. It took a while but I feel I am where I belong.

Lisa A now Home
 
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