Question for Eastern Orthodox Christians?

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You believe in the following:

“We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins…”

During a baby’s baptism, at which point he/she is completely free of actual sin, what sin is being remitted by God? It is not original sin, as per your beliefs!
 
You have seen how numerous are the gifts of baptism. Although many men think that the only gift it confers is the remission of sins, we have counted its honors to the number of ten. It is on this account that we baptize even infants, although they are sinless, that they may be given the further gifts of sanctification, justice, filial adoption, and inheritance, that they may be brothers and members of Christ, and become dwelling places of the Spirit.

St. John Chrysostom
 
joe371 said:
You believe in the following:

“We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins…”

During a baby’s baptism, at which point he/she is completely free of actual sin, what sin is being remitted by God? It is not original sin, as per your beliefs!
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Yes, baptism does forgive sins, if the person being baptized has any sins. Just because someone is about to be baptized doesn’t mean that have any sin.

A baby, like some mentally handicapped, don’t have any sin which needs to be forgiven. They are still chrismated (baptized, confirmed and receive the Eucharist) because it is the initiation of all Christians.

Babies and the mentally handicapped are not prevented from becoming full-fledged Christian in the Orthodox Church just because they aren’t sinners yet.

When those who are older & have sinned are converted to Christianity, they go through the same initiation as babies yet for them chrismation doesn’t only make them Christians, it also forgives the sins they have committed.
 
Cavaradossi said:
You have seen how numerous are the gifts of baptism. Although many men think that the only gift it confers is the remission of sins, we have counted its honors to the number of ten.** It is on this account that we baptize even infants**, although they are sinless, that they may be given the further gifts of sanctification, justice, filial adoption, and inheritance, that they may be brothers and members of Christ, and become dwelling places of the Spirit.

St. John Chrysostom
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So this part does not apply to infants:

“We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins…”
 
Cavaradossi said:
You have seen how numerous are the gifts of baptism. Although many men think that the only gift it confers is the remission of sins, we have counted its honors to the number of ten. It is on this account that we baptize even infants, although they are sinless, that they may be given the further gifts of sanctification, justice, filial adoption, and inheritance, that they may be brothers and members of Christ, and become dwelling places of the Spirit.

St. John Chrysostom
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This quote is so beautiful! I just love St. John Chrysostom ❤️

Why would anyone want to prevent the innocent babies from becoming Christians?
 
joe371 said:
So this part does not apply to infants:

“We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins…”
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Infants don’t have any sin to be forgiven.

Behold what manner of Love the Father has given unto us. That we (including infants) should be called the sons of God.
 
1Tim215Mommy said:
Yes, baptism does forgive sins, if the person being baptized has any sins. Just because someone is about to be baptized doesn’t mean that have any sin.

A baby, like some mentally handicapped, don’t have any sin which needs to be forgiven. They are still chrismated (baptized, confirmed and receive the Eucharist) because it is the initiation of all Christians.

Babies and the mentally handicapped are not prevented from becoming full-fledged Christian in the Orthodox Church just because they aren’t sinners yet.

When those who are older & have sinned are converted to Christianity, they go through the same initiation as babies yet for them chrismation doesn’t only make them Christians, it also forgives the sins they have committed.
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I think I understand: the following does not apply to infants: “We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins…”
 
joe371 said:
I think I understand: the following does not apply to infants: “We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins…”
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Baptism DOES apply to infants. They simply do not have any sins for which to be forgiven.
 
Who can look at a cute little newborn baby or a 3 month old or a 6 month old or a year old or a 2 yr old and honestly say, that innocent baby face is just a mask since that baby is really a little evil one so full of sin he/she deserves to be damned to hell for all eternity? - I hope no one.

On the other hand who can look at that same baby and truly say, yes even this tiny little innocent baby should be not be prevented from becoming an adopted child of God through chrismation and receive the spiritual food so that he/she grows in Christ? - I hope everyone!

Which attitude re: babies is more Christ-like?
 
1Tim215Mommy said:
Who can look at a cute little newborn baby or a 3 month old or a 6 month old or a year old or a 2 yr old and honestly say, that innocent baby face is just a mask since that baby is really a little evil one so full of sin he/she deserves to be damned to hell for all eternity? - I hope no one.

On the other hand who can look at that same baby and truly say, yes even this tiny little innocent baby should be not be prevented from becoming an adopted child of God through chrismation and receive the spiritual food so that he/she grows in Christ? - I hope everyone!

Which attitude re: babies is more Christ-like?
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Is this not an argumentum ad passiones? (It’s my phrase of the day, I just learned it.)

Who told you that the Catholic Church teaches that babies are “…so full of sin he/she deserves to be damned to hell for all eternity” (if that’s what you believe)?

Also, don’t Eastern Orthodox Christians believe that one becomes an adopted child of God through Baptism?
 
LionHeart777 said:
Is this not an argumentum ad passiones? (It’s my phrase of the day, I just learned it.)

Who told you that the Catholic Church teaches that babies are “…so full of sin he/she deserves to be damned to hell for all eternity” (if that’s what you believe)?
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1st I don’t speak, is it Latin?

2nd What in my post makes you think that someone told me that the Catholic Church teaches that? I wrote that as a question & answered my own question that I hope no one does.
 
1Tim215Mommy said:
1st I don’t speak, is it Latin?
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Yep, me neither 🙂 I thought of the English and typed it into my search bar. 🙂
2nd What in my post makes you think that someone told me that the Catholic Church teaches that? I wrote that as a question & answered my own question that I hope no one does.
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Gotcha, I’m sorry I misunderstood you and didn’t give you the benefit of the doubt.

I edited my post, so I’ll ask again:

Also, don’t Eastern Orthodox Christians believe that one becomes an adopted child of God through Baptism?
 
Speaking of babies, my 11 month old is having surgery first thing in the morning to remove a cyst from her liver duct. Prayers for her would be appreciated if you all don’t mind 🙂 👍
 
LionHeart777 said:
Speaking of babies, my 11 month old is having surgery first thing in the morning to remove a cyst from her liver duct. Prayers for her would be appreciated if you all don’t mind 🙂 👍
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O God, our heavenly Father, who lovest mankind and art most merciful and compassionate, have mercy upon Thy servant, the 11 month old child, for whom I humbly pray Thee and commend to Thy gracious care and protection.
 
1Tim215Mommy said:
Who can look at a cute little newborn baby or a 3 month old or a 6 month old or a year old or a 2 yr old and honestly say, that innocent baby face is just a mask since that baby is really a little evil one so full of sin he/she deserves to be damned to hell for all eternity? - I hope no one.

On the other hand who can look at that same baby and truly say, yes even this tiny little innocent baby should be not be prevented from becoming an adopted child of God through chrismation and receive the spiritual food so that he/she grows in Christ? - I hope everyone!

Which attitude re: babies is more Christ-like?
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Of course infants have not sinned!!! 👍
 
LionHeart777 said:
Speaking of babies, my 11 month old is having surgery first thing in the morning to remove a cyst from her liver duct. Prayers for her would be appreciated if you all don’t mind 🙂 👍
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oh my goodness! I will absolutely pray for her! Iperagia Theotoke soson imas. (hey, if you do Latin, I’ll do Greek fairs fair;))

RE: Becoming an Adopted Child of God via Baptism YES! but isn’t that taught by all Christian religions?

Oh, wait, maybe additional clarification - Chrismation is what we can the Mysteries all given at the same time: Baptism, Confirmation & Eucharist Reception.
 
Mickey said:
O God, our heavenly Father, who lovest mankind and art most merciful and compassionate, have mercy upon Thy servant, the 11 month old child, for whom I humbly pray Thee and commend to Thy gracious care and protection.
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Amin!
 
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