Question for Homeschoolers

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I would do nothing. My own son did not read until he was closer to 11, then he didn’t stop. 😉 Some kids aren’t ready. While I personally wouldn’t allow video games as a “reward” for not doing school work, I also wouldn’t push it with a kid if everything else was going well.

Are you sure this kid is being seriously harmed? I don’t know how close you are, or what kind of client they are. If the child isn’t doing any school work, or getting any kind of stimulation, then he may be being harmed. But just because he doesn’t read doesn’t automatically mean that he is being harmed, it could just mean he isn’t ready. Homeschooling is a complex adventure.

However, I did use video/computer games as a “bait” of sorts. I would just not read the game to him, if he wanted to know how to play, he had to read it himself.
We too had a homeschooled child that was nearly 11 before learning to read who also had atrocious spelling. Interest-led learning finally worked its magic. In order to pursue the area of interest, reading and then more difficult reading became necessary, to get through some esoteric material, and everything else just fell into place, and this one got a great GRE score too.

An observation I made repeatedly as a homeschooling mother was that our children’s traditionally schooled cousins and their parents were not questioned to the degree our children were (if at all) regarding their educational progress. Family members, well-meaning (and other) acquaintances, and even strangers often questioned what we were doing. One of our parents did not throw in support until after the whole adventure was over, precisely on the college graduation day of the last child, at which point we got high praise for homeschooling. As there had been nothing but criticism for it to that point, I thought I might faint!

Just having the knowledge that this one child is a homeschooled one could be biasing your worries a bit. I only say that, because that’s what we experienced, again and again. You will be able to eliminate this bias as the culprit if you are having the same concerns for other “reading-age” children of your clients who happen to be public-schooled and are having problems.

Then there is the whole issue of “readiness,” which varies greatly from one child to the next, and which is often unaccommodated in some educational settings, public and home schools included. Traditionally schooled children’s folks and teachers have the luxury of believing that the kids who are left behind failed; there is not always a thought that maybe the system failed them, e.g. if readiness was an issue and they were pushed ahead too soon. Too often homeschooled parents don’t get this pass or support of any kind, until, sometimes, like in our case from our formerly unsupportive family member, you get it after the fact.

There is also always the possibility that some homeschoolers are truants or the parents are negligent. Unless you know the family well, it might be very hard to come to that conclusion.
 
Thnaks for the replies-they have pretty much mirrored my internal debateabut this, Although the lady in question is a client I have done their returns since before they had kids-they are somewhat of a cross between clients and friends-as it is with most long time clients.

I have a meeting with her and her husband next week about 2009 tax plannig and will see if I can tactfully bring it up. perhaps a discussion about education credits and education saving accounts may be the way to broach the issue and see if they want to discuss it . I am, like many of you, curious as to why she bought it up in the first place.
 
The mom brought this up to him–he didn’t go out searching for ways to “meddle” in their lives.
I don’t believe she asked him for advice - it was an idle comment.
And since when do only “educational professionals” have a right to comment on education when asked?
Again - I don’t believe he was “asked”.

When someone is functioning in a professional capacity (this was a meeting in his office I believe), they ethically must not dispense advice that might be considered professional in nature. It could be misleading and certainly is inappropriate. I would NEVER want my dentist to give me advice about how to do my taxes just because I brought up the fact that I was struggling with some aspect of the return. Or my mechanic to give me advice about having a filling done because I had a toothache. So what difference is it that a CPA give advice about a child who is having learning difficulties? I fail to see the difference.
Most educational professionals do *not *have expertise in learning disorders and other disabilities.
But a CPA does? :confused::eek:

He was not approached for his advice, it was an idle comment. My personal response would be, “I’m so sorry to hear that you are having difficulty with him, I hope you will be able to find some help with that.” And leave it alone.

Even if she does directly ask for his advice, I would still refer her to a professional in some way. She has hired him as a CPA, they are in a professional relationship, not out to dinner discussing child rearing over a bottle of wine. Even though they may be friendly, there is still a professional relationship that takes precedent.

~Liza
 
I don’t believe she asked him for advice - it was an idle comment.

Again - I don’t believe he was “asked”.


He was not approached for his advice, it was an idle comment. …Even if she does directly ask for his advice, I would still refer her to a professional in some way. She has hired him as a CPA, they are in a professional relationship, not out to dinner discussing child rearing over a bottle of wine. Even though they may be friendly, there is still a professional relationship that takes precedent.

~Liza
…how completely unprofessional to meddle …
You are not an education professional and have no place to comment on such circumstances. Even if she asks.
Hi Liza,👋

I replied to your quote from earlier (quoted again above) where you said he shouldn’t give his advice even if she asked. Maybe she did ask; maybe she didn’t. Maybe she was just venting. I don’t know–I wasn’t there.🤷 You now suggested that he refer her to a professional in some way if she asked, and I agree with that. If this woman is bothered enough to mention the situation to her accountant, she might be looking for advice. Or as some suggested she might have been venting and over-exagerating about a rough day. Again, I don’t know why she shared what she did. Whatever the case, I don’t think Estesbob was trying to “meddle”.

Your previous post also left me with the impression that you thought he wasn’t fit to comment when asked because he wasn’t an “educational profesional”. My point wasn’t that CPA are educational experts but that some so-called “educational professionals” may not be any more qualified to comment on many learning disorders than he is.

I never meant to start an argument with you, but rather to defend the op against charges of “meddling” when he responds to something that someone freely shared with him. I sensed from the op’s original post, (later confirmed when he posted that the responses here mimic his own internal debate) that he did not intend to meddle.

I hope this thread has helped Estesbob. At least it warned him to tread with care;), but I hope it also eased his worries that his client is “harming her child.” It is estimated that around 15% of children in public schools have dyslexia or other significant reading problems. If a child is not neurologically and developmentally ready to learn how to read, pushing the child read might do more harm than good. Yet parents–especially homeschooling parents–may worry if their child has problems learning to read. It sounds to me like this client might be at the point of worrying if she’s venting about the situation to her long-term CPA whose sort of a friend.
 
I will only say that I am sorry I used the word “meddle” - that was not an appropriate use of the word in this situation. The rest of my comments are still relevant.

Oh no, not arguing at all. 🙂 I just feel it is not appropriate to offer advice in this situation when it is not what he was hired for, and not his area of expertise.

~Liza
 
Disclaimer, not a home school-er but a parent, so take this for what it’s worth…

To me, it’s more of a red flag that the child is ‘throwing a fit’ when the parents are attempting to teach him, and that he is (calmed? appeased?) by the video games. We have precious little information about this family and the child, but this tidbit coupled with not being able to read at age 9 makes me take notice. If it was just simply a matter of not being able to read at his age that in and of itself wouldn’t concern me, but coupled with the behavioral issues, it does.

I think gardens gave great advice on how to best broach the subject with these parents.
I totally agree with this post.
 
This thread reminds me of a conversation I had about homeschoolers with a parent of a child that went to public school.

She had heard about two children in our local home school group that were having reading problems. One was in 2nd grade and couldn’t read. One was in 3rd and was still having problems reading. They were from different families.

She couldn’t get over how we had so many in our group with reading problems. Two in our little group.

Then I added up the students in our group. 40. Now they ranged in age from Kindergarten to a Senior in high school, but we had 40. Almost two full classes. In really good school districts, it would easily be two full classes. And only two reading problems. It didn’t sound so bad when you did the math.

Homeschoolers generally live under a magnifying glass. Everything we do, people watch.

This parent could have been just having a bad day. She could have a child with a learning disability, and she may not know how to handle it. She could know how to handle it, and the day she spoke to you, she just gave up. She could have been exaggerating.

I hope if someone heard me say, my son will never learn his multiplication tables, they didn’t take me seriously. Because he knows them now.
 
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