Question for LDS about 3 Nehpi

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**Deuteronomy 18:15,19 (KJV) **
15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken.

19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Acts 3:22-26 (KJV)
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

3 Nephi 20:23-26
23 Behold, I am he of whom Moses spake, saying: A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

And it shall come to pass that every soul who will not hear that prophet shall be cut off from among the people.

24 Verily I say unto you, yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have testified of me.

25 And behold, ye are the children of the prophets; and ye are of the house of Israel; and ye are of the covenant which the Father made with your fathers, saying unto Abraham: And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26 The Father having raised me up unto you first, and sent me to bless you in turning away every one of you from his iniquities; and this because ye are the children of the covenant—

I came across this interesting similarity between the Book of Mormon passage from 3 Nephi and Peter’s words in the Book of Acts. Then I compared the passage from the BOM and Deuteronomy and the BOM passage is very close to what Peter said and so much to what Moses said. Also The Book of Mormon mentions Samuel, someone who probably was not alive or if he was could not have been known to the people of the BOM.

My issue is that this passage from Nephi is a paraphrase of Acts and mentions a man who was not known to the author of the this passage.
 
Starofthesea21 said:
I came across this interesting similarity between the Book of Mormon passage from 3 Nephi and Peter’s words in the Book of Acts. Then I compared the passage from the BOM and Deuteronomy and the BOM passage is very close to what Peter said and so much to what Moses said. Also The Book of Mormon mentions Samuel, someone who probably was not alive or if he was could not have been known to the people of the BOM.

My issue is that this passage from Nephi is a paraphrase of Acts and mentions a man who was not known to the author of the this passage.
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Of course Christ told the same thing to both groups of people- Christ’s gospel is the same for all people.

As to the reference to Samuel, it is referring to the Book of Mormon prophet Samuel prophet whom prophesied of Christ’s birth and death (link if you want to read it: lds.org/scriptures/bofm/hel/13?lang=eng&span=13-16).
 
jane_doe said:
Of course Christ told the same thing to both groups of people- Christ’s gospel is the same for all people.

As to the reference to Samuel, it is referring to the Book of Mormon prophet Samuel prophet whom prophesied of Christ’s birth and death (link if you want to read it: lds.org/scriptures/bofm/hel/13?lang=eng&span=13-16).
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The words in Acts are not Christ’s but Peter’s. And thank you for pointing me to the BOM prophet Samuel. It still does not put to rest my skepticism due to the closeness of the words of Peter and the author 3 Nephi.
 
jane_doe said:
And who gave Peter those words? Christ.
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No they are Peter’s words, teaching of and about Jesus in relationship to the Old Covenant. The author of the BoM passages are parroting Peter. Yet, Peter is someone who lived centuries later than where the BoM characters are placed.
 
Matthew wrote similar to Mark…Mark wrote similar to John…John wrote similar to Luke…

Funny thing…I told things to my oldest…years later, I said stuff to my youngest…my oldest reminded me I had said very similar things to him.

I guess if what you are saying is good, there is not a lot of need to change it
 
TexanKnight said:
Matthew wrote similar to Mark…Mark wrote similar to John…John wrote similar to Luke…

Funny thing…I told things to my oldest…years later, I said stuff to my youngest…my oldest reminded me I had said very similar things to him.

I guess if what you are saying is good, there is not a lot of need to change it
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They wrote similar because they were recounting the same events that they or their teachers had direct experience with. this is different from the game of telephone you described. The Gospels are akin to multiple eye witness testimonies, differing in small areas but maintaining the major aspects of what they witnessed. What your children did is more akin to the legal concept of hearsay. The two things are not equivalent.
 
ProdglArchitect said:
They wrote similar because they were recounting the same events that they or their teachers had direct experience with. this is different from the game of telephone you described. The Gospels are akin to multiple eye witness testimonies, differing in small areas but maintaining the major aspects of what they witnessed. What your children did is more akin to the legal concept of hearsay. The two things are not equivalent.
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Hearsay? So is the Gospel of Mark. So is the Gospel of Luke.

And relating what one saw is one thing…relating to what one heard…or what someone said they heard, is different.

Also, Paul related many of the same teachings as the Apostles…

There would be no reason at all to teach different things to different people.
 
TexanKnight said:
Matthew wrote similar to Mark…Mark wrote similar to John…John wrote similar to Luke…

Funny thing…I told things to my oldest…years later, I said stuff to my youngest…my oldest reminded me I had said very similar things to him.

I guess if what you are saying is good, there is not a lot of need to change it
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Different people use different words and phrases. Not to mention what a different culture and language will do to how a concept is conveyed. It is highly improbable, if not impossible, that multiple people, hundreds of years, and oceans apart, from different cultures and with different languages, will use the exact same wording to teach the same or similar concepts.
 
TexanKnight said:
Hearsay? So is the Gospel of Mark. So is the Gospel of Luke.
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Mark and Luther are both inscribing the accounts of their respective apostolic teachers. This is distinct from hearsay much as the officer taking the witness’s statement doesn’t prevent that acocunt from being considered first hand knowledge.
And relating what one saw is one thing…relating to what one heard…or what someone said they heard, is different.
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Also, Paul related many of the same teachings as the Apostles…
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There would be no reason at all to teach different things to different people.
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Paul did recount teachings, I don’t really see the point you’re trying to make. A teaching is different from a first hand account…

(I won’t be able to respond again this evening, so it’s up to you if you want to respond ^^)
 
RebeccaJ said:
Different people use different words and phrases. Not to mention what a different culture and language will do to how a concept is conveyed. It is highly improbable, if not impossible, that multiple people, hundreds of years, and oceans apart, from different cultures and with different languages, will use the exact same wording to teach the same or similar concepts.
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Nothing is impossible to God

at least…that is what I believe
 
RebeccaJ said:
Different people use different words and phrases. Not to mention what a different culture and language will do to how a concept is conveyed. It is highly improbable, if not impossible, that multiple people, hundreds of years, and oceans apart, from different cultures and with different languages, will use the exact same wording to teach the same or similar concepts.
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Except that neither of the phrases in question are in their native language nor wording: they both have been converted to English. And the meaning is the same.
 
jane_doe said:
Except that neither of the phrases in question are in their native language nor wording: they both have been converted to English. And the meaning is the same.
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That only makes it even more improbable.
 
TexanKnight said:
It is not exactly word for word…

But…I am not in the habit of limiting God…you?
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Here’s the thing TK, this type of argument can be used for believing in anything. Aliens built the pyramids, if you don’t believe so, then you are viewing aliens as limited.

God did it and you limit God if you say God didn’t do it, is meaningless.
 
RebeccaJ said:
Here’s the thing TK, this type of argument can be used for believing in anything. Aliens built the pyramids, if you don’t believe so, then you are viewing aliens as limited.

God did it and you limit God if you say God didn’t do it, is meaningless.
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I do not believe in aliens…

I believe in God.

and if you believe God can turn into Bread…or rise from the dead, or heal the blind…or heal the sick…

giving folks similar words seems much easier
 
TexanKnight said:
I do not believe in aliens…

I believe in God.

and if you believe God can turn into Bread…or rise from the dead, or heal the blind…or heal the sick…

giving folks similar words seems much easier
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It’s still the same meaningless argument.

As I said, you believe scripture is a direct dictation from God. I’m guessing that you have exceptions for this belief, otherwise the Book of Mormon becomes untenable, entirely.

I don’t hold this view of scripture. Rationally, we can see that scripture (meaning the Bible) is the Word of God, transmitted to us by people who use their own words. Sometime quoting others including Jesus.

Peter quoting Moses hundreds of years later, from (memorized) written scripture, sure, probable and very possible. Quoting Peter, oceans and cultures apart. Not probable or possible.
 
RebeccaJ said:
It’s still the same meaningless argument.

As I said, you believe scripture is a direct dictation from God. I’m guessing that you have exceptions for this belief, otherwise the Book of Mormon becomes untenable, entirely.

I don’t hold this view of scripture. Rationally, we can see that scripture (meaning the Bible) is the Word of God, transmitted to us by people who use their own words. Sometime quoting others including Jesus.

Peter quoting Moses hundreds of years later, from (memorized) written scripture, sure, probable and very possible. Quoting Peter, oceans and cultures apart. Not probable or possible.
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Ah…limiting God…picking and choosing what God is able to do…got it.

I choose to believe God is all-powerful and that His ways are not our ways.

If God chooses to give the same words or close to the same words…or if God chooses to create the world…or turn into bread…or rise from the dead (people say THAT is improbable and impossible too…) so be it…God can do as God wants. I am sure he does not need our approval
 
RebeccaJ said:
Different people use different words and phrases. Not to mention what a different culture and language will do to how a concept is conveyed. It is highly improbable, if not impossible, that multiple people, hundreds of years, and oceans apart, from different cultures and with different languages, will use the exact same wording to teach the same or similar concepts.
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Salutations.
This is true. While science was discovering atoms in Russia and bombs, America was discovering the same thing. It was before the phone. Now, it was awhile since I helped my daughter, who is 31, with that assignment. But, discovery, of same subjects are going on all the time. Spiritually, communication with God is broader. Many of us are blessed with messages from God. Errors can occur with the interference of the enemy.
The bases for this dialogue, is Mormonism a cult?
Polygamy, to me, is a joke. I would be going to hell for murdering my husband and second wife. Is Jesus the Messiah? Is the Bible accepted as true? Is the BOM more important than the Bible? What does the BOM provide for you that the BIBLE doesn’t give you? Their is an original text that is not easy to get to. The granddaughter of Brigham Young left Mormonism after reading it. I’m sorry, I forgot the issue. Google granddaughter of B. Young left Mormonism.
Why did the Bible not write of the missing years? Why would it be wrong to write if Jesus was married and had children?
The Gnostic Gospels have Jesus as a toddler. They have the escape into Egypt. There is a footprint on a rock that folklore has as the footprint of the child, Jesus. He pushed a friend off a roof, and the kid died. But, Jesus brought him back to life. I don’t think he could play with Jesus, again.
So, what do we believe? As a teenager, he was in the carpenter shop helping his father in the Bible. I guess He could bilocate and visit the Indians in America?
No answers. Just questions. I stand on the rock of Jesus Christ. If he had a bloodline, I am a desendent
Funny, huh.
in Christ’s love
Tweedlealice 🤷
 
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