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I’m not sure I understand LDS beliefs, so please correct me if I’m wrong here, either in the question or the presuppositions that led to it.
We are all “spirit children” of God in the spiritual ‘realm’. However, I understand that LDS believe God has a physical body, so #1- can someone explain that? Do we have physical bodies in the spirit world, too?
#2- if we are all literal children of God, does that mean we are marrying and parenting our literal brothers and sisters in this world? If not, please set me straight.
#3-if yes, are we brothers and sisters again when we return to the spirit world, or are we still husbands and wives? Which is what I thought the “sealing” for eternity was about.
 
Okay, it is Saturday night. Probably not the most active time to look for answers.🤷
 
Okay, it is Saturday night. Probably not the most active time to look for answers.🤷
It’s not that. The Mormon threads have been done to death. Read a little on the boards. Your questions have been answered.
 
It’s not that. The Mormon threads have been done to death. Read a little on the boards. Your questions have been answered.
yes they have. we have been :banghead: because of it. Ready to have your mind blown.
 
I had hoped to not go through the very lengthy threads, but I guess I’ll have to do just that.
 
I had hoped to not go through the very lengthy threads, but I guess I’ll have to do just that.
An easier way to get your questions answered would be to simply call a local LDS ward, let them know what you’re curious about, and see if you can make an appointment with someone there (e.g., the bishop, one of the teachers, possibly the stake missionaries) to answer your questions.

If you read some of the LDS-related threads in this forum, you will unfortunately find that many of the questions posed to Mormons are not for the purpose of better understanding their faith, but as an opening to belittle and attack that faith. And even if you are sincerely seeking information, there are others who will likely jump into the thread and turn it into something you didn’t intend. You’re better off seeking your answers at an LDS church.
 
I’m not sure I understand LDS beliefs, so please correct me if I’m wrong here, either in the question or the presuppositions that led to it.
We are all “spirit children” of God in the spiritual ‘realm’. However, I understand that LDS believe God has a physical body, so #1- can someone explain that? Do we have physical bodies in the spirit world, too?
#2- if we are all literal children of God, does that mean we are marrying and parenting our literal brothers and sisters in this world? If not, please set me straight.
#3-if yes, are we brothers and sisters again when we return to the spirit world, or are we still husbands and wives? Which is what I thought the “sealing” for eternity was about.
#1 - That’s a good question. The LDS belief is that we’re born into a spirit body in the preexistence. If you’re looking for the physiology of how that happens you’ll need a contributor smarter than I.

#2 - In mortality we are parenting and marrying our spiritual brother and sisters. I would think that there’s some sort of notion in Catholicism that we’re all offspring of God, also.

#3 - We’re always spiritual brothers and sisters. The LDS belief is that God recognizes all legally binding marriages in mortality. In addition, LDS believe that marriages performed in LDS temples are recognized by God forever (assuming the couple lives righteously in mortality). LDS commonly use the term “eternal marriage” to describe those marriages. We believe that God recognizes the other marriages until the death of one of the spouses.

I hope this saves you a few keystrokes.
 
An easier way to get your questions answered would be to simply call a local LDS ward, let them know what you’re curious about, and see if you can make an appointment with someone there (e.g., the bishop, one of the teachers, possibly the stake missionaries) to answer your questions.

If you read some of the LDS-related threads in this forum, you will unfortunately find that many of the questions posed to Mormons are not for the purpose of better understanding their faith, but as an opening to belittle and attack that faith. And even if you are sincerely seeking information, there are others who will likely jump into the thread and turn it into something you didn’t intend. You’re better off seeking your answers at an LDS church.
Except you will not get the truth. You will just get the most recent doctrine
 
#1 - That’s a good question. The LDS belief is that we’re born into a spirit body in the preexistence. If you’re looking for the physiology of how that happens you’ll need a contributor smarter than I.

#2 - In mortality we are parenting and marrying our spiritual brother and sisters. I would think that there’s some sort of notion in Catholicism that we’re all offspring of God, also.

#3 - We’re always spiritual brothers and sisters. The LDS belief is that God recognizes all legally binding marriages in mortality. In addition, LDS believe that marriages performed in LDS temples are recognized by God forever (assuming the couple lives righteously in mortality). LDS commonly use the term “eternal marriage” to describe those marriages. We believe that God recognizes the other marriages until the death of one of the spouses.

I hope this saves you a few keystrokes.
#1-do you recognize each other as a brother/sister in the pre-existance? Or, is the brother/sister relationship spiritual (which I will agree that the human race is). It’s the literal sons/daughters of the Father that has me wondering. Spiritual sons and daughter wouldn’t cause me to wonder, literal does.
#2-I believe I married my “spiritual brother” in that we are all children of God. In the LDS church, I know you refer to each other as Brother So and So, or Sister So and So, and quite frankly, I like that. It is always good to remember that we are all part of one family.
 
I hope this saves you a few keystrokes.
Unfortunately, JRTrent finds truth humiliating.
I appreciate both of these responses and offer my apologies for my earlier cynical reply. Some other LDS-related threads may have been painful to read or participate in, but that doesn’t mean this one would have been, and if people stop asking questions, there’s no reason for the forum to exist.
 
I appreciate both of these responses and offer my apologies for my earlier cynical reply. Some other LDS-related threads may have been painful to read or participate in, but that doesn’t mean this one would have been, and if people stop asking questions, there’s no reason for the forum to exist.
Awesome post. Thanks
 
To the OP. I would not even bother with this topic. It is all made up in order for their religion to work. Let us refer to Timothy 1, Chapter 1 II. Sound Teaching

Warning against False Doctrine
I repeat the request I made to you when I was on my way to Macedonia, that you stay in Ephesus to instruct certain people not to teach false doctrines or to concern themselves with myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the plan of God that is to be received by faith. The aim of this instruction is love from a pure heart, a good conscience, and a sincere faith. Some people have deviated from these and turned to meaningless talk, wanting to be teachers of the law but without understanding either what they are saying or what they assert with such assurance.
 
I would think that there’s some sort of notion in Catholicism that we’re all offspring of God, also.
Considering the LDS point of view, that your spirits are literally offspring of gods, I think it is important to clarify this from a Christian understanding. 🙂 Our souls are created not begotten. We are brothers and sisters in Christ. Adopted sons and daughters through Him.
 
An easier way to get your questions answered would be to simply call a local LDS ward, let them know what you’re curious about, and see if you can make an appointment with someone there (e.g., the bishop, one of the teachers, possibly the stake missionaries) to answer your questions.

If you read some of the LDS-related threads in this forum, you will unfortunately find that many of the questions posed to Mormons are not for the purpose of better understanding their faith, but as an opening to belittle and attack that faith. And even if you are sincerely seeking information, there are others who will likely jump into the thread and turn it into something you didn’t intend. You’re better off seeking your answers at an LDS church.
I’d think a group discussion will flesh out what Mormons teach, have taught, and the differences when compared to Catholicism. Especially in light of 1) the Mormon practice of not telling you what they actually believe (milk before meat is how they wrap that). 2) the fact that Mormons have co-oped Christian terms and phrases and given them new meanings. 3) Mormon teachings change over time, often quite significantly. As TK already said, one individual Mormon is going to give what they currently teach, in the context of their own ideas, which can vary from Mormon to Mormon.

Sending someone unawares into a ward house is the last thing I would do. I’d give them a little preparation first.
 
Totally agree with Rebecca and others here…do not go to ward.

My biggest trouble is such tactics…and the MO of Mormon think tank and strategies. Very manipulative…

And most important, the hijacking of Christianity, and their particular competitive obsession Catholic Church. The Mormon Church wants to overtake the Catholic Church and be on top, and hopes its new temple going up in Rome will garner the same awe the world gives the Vatican.

Heard that on their Mormon station. The secular mayor of Rome had no idea of the impact to Mormonism when he authorized it giving them permission to build in the surrounding countryside of Rome…where St. Justin the Martyr described the Mass to the Roman Emperor around 155 A.D.
 
#1-do you recognize each other as a brother/sister in the pre-existance? Or, is the brother/sister relationship spiritual (which I will agree that the human race is). It’s the literal sons/daughters of the Father that has me wondering. Spiritual sons and daughter wouldn’t cause me to wonder, literal does.
#2-I believe I married my “spiritual brother” in that we are all children of God. In the LDS church, I know you refer to each other as Brother So and So, or Sister So and So, and quite frankly, I like that. It is always good to remember that we are all part of one family.
#1 - Now we recognize that we were siblings in the preexistence. I wouldn’t want to speculate what we were actually thinking then. LDS do believe we are literal offspring of God.

Acts 17:29 (KJV) Forasmuch then as we are offspring of God…

#2 - I agree.
 
. . .We are all “spirit children” of God in the spiritual ‘realm’. However, I understand that LDS believe God has a physical body, so #1- can someone explain that? Do we have physical bodies in the spirit world, too?
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  **The Scriptures http://scriptures.byu.edu/right.png** Doctrine & Covenants http://scriptures.byu.edu/right.png Sections http://scriptures.byu.edu/right.png 130
22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.
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**Scriptural Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
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***The Immortal Spirit STPJS 352-354. . . .The mind or the intelligence which man possesses is co-equal3,a with God himself. I know that my testimony is true;4 hence, when I talk to these mourners, what have they lost? Their relatives and friends are only separated from their bodies for a short season:5 their spirits which existed with God have left the tabernacle of clay6 only for a little moment,7 as it were; and they now exist in a place where they converse together the same as we do8 on the earth.

I am dwelling on the immortality of the spirit9 of man. Is it logical to say that the intelligence of spirits is immortal,10 and yet that it had a beginning? The intelligence of spirits had no beginning, neither will it have an end.11 That is good logic. That which has a beginning12 may have an end.13 There never was a time when there were not spirits; for they are co-equal [co-eternal] with our Father in heaven.14
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I’m not sure I understand LDS beliefs. . . .
It is important to understand the Mormon god as taught by second prophet Brigham Young, who claimed he received this from first prophet Joseph Smith.

Discourse by Second Mormon Prophet Brigham Young, 1873:
“Our Father Adam helped to make this earth, it was created expressly for him, and after it was made he and his companions came here. He brought one of his wives with him, and she was called Eve, because she was the first woman upon the earth.” (The Desert News, Discourse By President Brigham Young, Delivered in the new Tabernacle, Salt Lake City, Sunday Afternoon, June 8th, 1873)


Mormon Prophet Brigham Young taught Adam is Michael the Archangel, Ancient of Days, and God. Young said he could not find any man on the earth who could tell him this, until he met and talked with Joseph Smith.

**April 9, 1852, Mormon Prophet, Brigham Young:
"Journal of Discourses Volume 1:50-51
"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken–HE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. . . .

When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family; and when he took a tabernacle, it was begotten by his Father in heaven, after the same manner as the tabernacles of Cain, Abel, and the rest of the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve; from the fruits of the earth, the first earthly tabernacles were originated by the Father, and so on in succession. . .

. . .It is true that the earth was organized by three distinct characters, namely, Eloheim, Yahovah, and Michael, these three forming a quorum, as in all heavenly bodies, and in organizing element, perfectly represented in the Deity, as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

. . .What a learned idea! Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven. Now, let all who may hear these doctrines, pause before they make light of them, or treat them with indifference, for they will prove their salvation or damnation.

. . .Now remember from this time forth, and forever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost.

. . .Treasure up these things in your hearts. In the Bible, you have read the things I have told you to-night; but you have not known what you did read. I have told you no more than you are conversant with; but what do the people in Christendom, with the Bible in their hands, know about this subject? Comparatively nothing." (Journal of Discourses of the General Authorities of the LDS Church, Volume 1)
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More than 20 years later, BJ still claimed Adam is God. Today, the LDS claim this was never taught.

**June 8, 1873, President Brigham Young, Delivered in the new Tabernacle, Salt Lake City:
"How much unbelief exists in the minds of the Latter-day Saints in regard to one particular doctrine which I revealed to them, and which God revealed to me—namely that Adam is our Father and God—I do not know, I do not inquire, I care nothing about it. Our Father Adam helped to make this earth, it was created expressly for him, and after it was made he and his companions came here. He brought one of his wives with him, and she was called Eve, because she was the first woman upon the earth.

Our Father Adam is the man who stands at the gate and holds the keys of everlasting life and salvation to all his children who have or who ever will come upon the earth. I have been found fault with by the ministers of religion because I have said that they were ignorant. But I could not find any man on the earth who could tell me this, although it is one of the simplest things in the world, until I met and talked with Joseph Smith."(The Desert News, Discourse, By President Brigham Young, Delivered in the new Tabernacle, Salt Lake City, Sunday Afternoon, June 8th, 1873.)
(© THE UNIVERSITY OF UTAH | J. Willard Marriott Library 295 S 1500 E SLC, UT 84112-0860)**

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