From PopeBono: //“Satan never received his body, he did not inherit his first estate as talked about in Corinthians so he is not a brother to us in the human form (humanity) whereas Christ who received his body is a brother to us.”//
Right, I never said Mormons believe Satan received his body nor did I imply it. But I did say Mormons believe Satan and Jesus were spiritual brothers as well as spiritual brothers to us. I know Mormons also believe Christ was a humanly brother to humans too since he took flesh. My question is:* Is not our spirit the essence of who we truly are?* Without our bodies we can still exist - in fact we did according to LDS before God made earth and humans. But without our spirits then our bodies are nothing more than organic shells.* If the answer is “yes”*: there would have to be a fundamental importance of Satan being equally our brother as is Jesus, and Jesus and Satan are equally brothers to themselves as they are to us. This fundamental importance supersedes any concept or objective human “brotherhood”.
Therefore the whole belief/doctrine/notion that Satan and Jesus spiritual brothers is incomprehensible because how can someone as perfect as Christ have a spiritual kinship with another “being” that obviously had the propensity of becoming an evil entity in the extremist sense…which is what ended up happening when he denied God. That is one of the fundamental problems Christians have in accepting it. We believe and can understand Lucifer and other angels falling and becoming evil when they denied God, but it is inconceivable for Christ our Savior, whom is most Holy, loving and perfect, to be a spiritual brother of an entity so potentially flawed in the beginning and ultimately became flawed. The whole notion actually belittles Christ and His nature. It is preposterous, sick and blasphemous. Nowhere in the Bible does it hint that Jesus and Satan were spiritual brothers, NOR does Christ hint at it.
*//“we have said nothing about Hitler, Ted Bundy etc… you are making statements that no church leader has ever made rather you are taking our doctrine and mingling it with your own theories and dragging out some of the most brutal people in history and somehow trying to apply it to our doctrine.”// *
It’s a Strawman argument. I never said Mormons discussed Hilter, Stalin, Bundy etc per se, rather I said Mormons believe these three goons will enter the lowest level of Heaven according to your doctrine. Don’t believe me or your own religion? Check out your own
website and scroll down to the paragraph of Telestial Kingdom.
//“We do not believe in following Joseph Smiths Words will get us to heaven. We know that through Christ and Christ alone is our pathway to heaven.”//
Here you took my statement out of context, perhaps the statement needed more clarity. I am merely pointing out that Mormons believe their god has revealed “truth” to Joseph Smith. Following this “truth” revealed to J. Smith, which includes Christ as the only salvation, is the only way to the Celestial Kingdom (highest level of Heaven). IS it true Mormons believe the second level of Heaven is for people whom don’t necessarily accept Mormon doctrine but are still good people? In this second level, they can only be with Jesus but NOT both Jesus and the Father as in the highest level? If the answer is “yes”, then what does that say about what you believe about Jesus? Is He somehow substandard to the Father, which explains why good
NON-Mormons can be with him only but NOT the Father in Heaven?
*//“We believe in only one creator God…”//
Wait don’t you believe in three separate Gods? God the Father - the main Godhead, and then Jesus and the Holy Ghost as lesser Gods?.. two of whom are creator Gods - the Father and separately Jesus?
//"…but there may be other titled beings with the name god who are subject to the Almighty God."//*
Oh so now there “MAY” be beings with the name god. Either there IS or there IS NOT… which is it? LDS teaches the righteous Mormon men on earth whom are worthy will pass onto the afterlife as gods with their own worlds…or is LDS changing this teaching now too? This is not a rhetorical question…please answer. Speaking of changing beliefs, didn’t LDS change their beliefs/teachings about polygamy?
//In regards to Mary your comments are correct from the sources you quoted but they did not speak on behalf of the church it was their own theories and as such is not the doctrine of the church."//
This contradicts with what Dianaiad says here:
“There is no quote from any church leader anywhere that says He did. Every quote that y’all come up with, when looked at in context, talks about how God the Father is the Father, and the Holy Ghost is not; in other words, its’ a Trinitarian argument, not a prurient one.” Both of you are Mormons yet only one of you can be right about this particular issue. I think Diana needs to brush up on the history of Quorum of the Twelve Apostles and its member’s teachings.
From Dianaiad:
//"We believe that God the Father created the universe. The whole thing. All the worlds. We even have scripture that says specifically that, m’friend. Moses 1:33 “And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten.”//
Right, so this supports your belief that the many worlds created will be ruled by other gods too? These other gods will be former righteous Mormon human beings from this planet.
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or if they really just don’t know.