Question For Protestants (if any are here)

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I’m not that knowledgeable about scripture could you please give me the verse?
 
I’m cradle Lutheran in a Lutheran country, from a clerical family.
I’m reading these and other forums not so much for myself, as for possible Catholic family members to make sure there is as little controversy and upheaval in our shared daily life.
 
CatsCath said:
I’ve had opposite experience as yours: if I think of all the times I’ve been lied to, betrayed, ridiculed or disrespected in some way- it’s ALWAYS been at the hands of a Protestant!
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That’s weird, I’ve had the same experience you have but it always comes from Catholics at my wife’s church…usually just from being the “wrong” type of Christian.

Eitherway, I don’t like to or tend or try to paint with such a broad brush. Sounds like it’s just “people be’n people”
 
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Its a good question.
Before I start, I notice every denomination of Christianity has their own versions of Bible.Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant etc…
Protestant made their bible by removing some chapters and make it adaptable for their believes and they teach on the basis of that bible.

Catholic too have their own version,they teach several believes that is not in the bible. Why they don’t incorporate it to their bible? Intercede to Mother of God (God have not mother, Jesus had mother, when he is in human form. Once he resurrected he is God again), Intercede to saints etc. So people not may confuse.

1)As per bible, Jesus is the only mediator, but Catholics teaches out of the bible all saints are mediators.
( As for me, Father on the thrown, Jesus and Satan as advocates. One to protect and the other asking punishment for the sinner. If its in a legal court, even a witness is to be produced,only the Judge permits.)

2)Purgatory. Why Catholics teaches it out of Bible.Why they are not incorporating it into their bible so a protestant can join Catholic.
3) Why Mother of Gods manifestations not incorporated in Catholic bible and Pops (if he is in the rank of Apostle) decrees.
 
The One True Church is firstly, spiritual, not literal. Why? Because Jesus is our Chief shepherd, and He leads us from His throne in heaven, a place outside of time and space.

He is invisible to us, yet He rules His church every day. Therefore, the Church is also literal and physical, on the earth with many facets, sects, flavors, traditions and customs. All of them call upon this one true Shepherd for guidance.
 
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brian_custer said:
“timidity” & fear of your mom’s opinions on your life decisions seem like poor reasons to fail to follow through on what your faith mind may be telling you
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Would you say the same thing to someone trying to break away from the Catholic church?
 
no i wouldn’t

and why would anyone want to do such a thing;

if that is your intent, what are you doing here on CAF?
 
opulumpu said:
how do you define a true church
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Some people will say that a true church is a church which will lead them to heaven by their teachings and by the good example of their members, especially of their clergy.
 
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drac16:
After reading through books like Ephesians and Galatians, I am convinced that they teach that a person is justified by faith alone.
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How do you interpret Matthew 25: 35 - 46 ?
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It shows that faith must be active to be a saving faith. Works do not save, grace does, through faith, but faith must be as described in Matthew 25
 
Galatians 3:11 "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident :for ,The just shall live by faith ". Previously verse 10 tells us that whoever is under the law is cursed . For if you do not continue completely and perfectly in the works of the law then you are cursed. God demands perfect holiness. Works can only serve as a fruit of faith . They have nothing to do with justification. The most dangerous doctrine that Rome presents is the rejection of the complete and sufficient work of Jesus Christ’s crucifixion. I want to address Matthew 25 too. Jesus has just received 3 questions in this account from the disciples , when will the temple come down?What’s the sign of his coming , and what is the sign of the end of the world . Matthew 25 is Christ answering the question about the end of the world . Note that these are parables and Christ is addressing the disciples . Not non believers so we all should listen closely . Repeatedly we are warned to be watchful through this chapter. This text really warns us that there are sheep and goats . One of the ways they will be discerned is their care and love for their brethren. And we will see the goats clearly through their lack of care. To use this text as an example of works being necessary to salvation is to misunderstand it . It’s fine to say that a genuine faith will be seen through works . However to suggest that salvation can be contributed to in anyway by pleasing God in and of ourselves is not founded in this text .Lastly, look at chapter 26, verses 6-13 give us an example of a sheep . This woman who sees Christ as precious and pours an extremely expensive ointment on his head in preparation for his burial is a prime example of a true sheep. Verses 14-16 record Judas accepting money and conspiring against Christ. He clearly is an illustration of a goat. Christ mentions nothing about salvation nor does Matthew. Salvation is the provision of God and man can doing nothing to "cooperate " ,assist, help , alleviate , encourage. Just ask your self this. How does God view my good works ? Does he view them as something that can help my salvation? Maybe he looks pleasantly on them and makes you a sheep ? Isaiah 64:6 “All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.”
 
AlNg said:
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drac16:
After reading through books like Ephesians and Galatians, I am convinced that they teach that a person is justified by faith alone.
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How do you interpret Matthew 25: 35 - 46 ?
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I think it’s saying that good works will necessarily follow once a person gets saved. Once you’re born again, those good works, like visiting the sick and so forth, will follow. Those good deeds are the result of a person’s salvation-- not that they are doing those things to get saved.
 
I assure you a lot of praying is involved. I think custer shot straight to the heart of it.

Familial bonds are hard to break.

The child inside of me wants to just run towards the Catholic church, but the adult in me says make for certain this is where you’re being called.
 
Works are the fruit of salvation not the root debate. If faith produces good works then why would non believers also produce good works? The laws of God are written on our hearts to begin with.
If works is God working through is then where does our free will come in to play? If we accept Jesus into our hearts and become his puppets, then why would be judged according to our works?
What about 2 Corinthians 3:15?
 
"If faith produces good works then why would non believers also produce good works? ". Now we have to think what are good works ? Specifically what makes the goats different than the sheep? No doubt both have done "good " things . Non believers of course look out for their families and have done many commendable things . However think about this verse Amos 5:21, where God condemns the Israelites in their worship of him . "I hate ,I despise your religious festivals your religious assembles are a stench to me ". Here we find God condemning the Israelites very worship ! Are the Israelites not doing a very good thing ? Why does God have problems with such a good work as worship ? God doesn’t just view an act Or work as we may. He knows the motive, reason and purpose to which someone is doing something . The Israelites were making pretence of having God on their side. They proclaimed his name and did many good things in his name .However, there hearts were far from him . We are corrupt and in our flesh dwells no good thing. Romans 7:18. Even a non believers very best act done is coming from a corrupt person who is at enmity against God. We may see that deed as very nice however God sees the reality of it and the corrupt fountain that it came from . Summed up , we must first be reconciled to God . It must be his work of salvation that renews us and transforms us then God will see Christ’s righteousness as our righteousness. No longer will we be serving God in our currupt flesh that cannot please God. Instead we will serve him in the Spirit and our works are the result of his work of salvation. The sheep serve Christ with new natures and the goats are in the flesh and cannot please God.
 
This has been Jon’s issue ever since I encountered him here. 😎

I think it is a residual of how he views the universal jurisdiction as being anti-Christ. 😋
 
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