Question For Protestants (if any are here)

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  1. Yes, the protoevangelium of James would be the English name. It was an example of the texts included.
  2. Since you are presumably neither Lutheran nor Swedish, I’ll excuse your ignorance.
  3. I’m visiting CAF for research, I’m not here to be argumentative. You can sort your bible whatever way you please. It’s tomahto-tomayto to me.
 
AugustTherese said:
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JonNC:
Did he remove them? No
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Putting them into a non-inspired section is removing them from inspired Scripture. So, if I translated the Holy Bible and uprooted some New Testament books, say James, Jude, Hebrews, and Revelation and put them into a non-inspired ‘spice garden’, we’d be okay?
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It wouldn’t be okay with me, particularly, but I wouldn’t claim you removed them, either.
 
SnowRose said:
there’s a note that the last seven letters used to be known as the catholic letters, that’s James, both Peter, three John and Jude. I don’t know if other protestant denominations include them or not.

The letters are followed by Revelations.
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FAscinating. It is good to see the Deuterocanon included. The “catholic” letters are those that are written not to certain communities or persons, but to the whole church.
 
JonNC said:
Typically, they are worth far more, and the payment should go in the opposite direction. 👍
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I should give you $ 10,000! I learned more about the Lutheran faith on CAF from you than I have in my whole life!! You also taught me how to avoid lumping all “protestants” together.
 
This discussion strikes me as uncannily similar to arguments I’ve heard about the Star Wars movie canon.

“What are you saying? Of course, you would agree with A New Hope being renamed as IV! No, no, internal consistency in the story line does NOT necessitate changing the original order!”

Ah, fan wars.
 
JonNC said:
It wouldn’t be okay with me, particularly, but I wouldn’t claim you removed them, either.
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I do not always agree with the methods of your discoursing, but you’re starting to grow on me for some reason. Thanks for always being kind.
 
lilypadrees said:
As I said, do the research. You’ll be shocked at the things you discover.
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I am curious what you think Luther might have said or done that might “shock” me.

And as I said, perhaps you can get me started with something Luther wrote that indicates he “removed” these books, even if it is a source where he does not give a reason for believing that.

Or perhaps you can give me a source that proves he was not in agreement with St. Jerome with regard to the nature of the Deuterocanonical books?
AugustTherese said:
It was a rhetorical question. He removed, excuse me, ‘uprooted such cornflowers’ and put them into a ‘kind of special little spice garden or flower bed’, i.e. non-inspired section. That is tampering with and removing Scripture.
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Ok, so you are blaming Luther for how he arranged his translation of the scriptures, and for putting headings on the sections with which you don’t agree? Do you realize that the headings, chapters, verses, and page numbers are not considered part of inspired scripture?

Are you aware that there were no “bibles” as we know them prior to the printing press in 1439? Prior to that time, scripture was a collection of scrolls and parchments copied by monks with candelight!
 
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lilypadrees said:
If you had a Catholic Bible, you would see them in their correct order with the rest of the books of the Holy Bible.
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No. Your “Catholic bibles” don’t even include them in the exact same order or place (as if a “correct order” would magically make them Scripture or not).

Compare your Douay Rheims to a New American Bible - both Roman Catholic translations. Then compare both of those to the Christian Community Bible (another Roman Catholic translation). You’ll find the books are in completely different orders. Then look up how much they change in different languages!
 
QContinuum said:
“What are you saying? Of course, you would agree with A New Hope being renamed as IV! No, no, internal consistency in the story line does NOT necessitate changing the original order!”
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I snorted with laughter on reading your comment as an old StarWars fan. You nailed it.

As for the current discussion it went from ”protestant bibles not being complete” through ”Luther removed books on his own authority” to a sulky ”it’s not sorted right anyway”. (Rough summary) I saw the exact same progression in the discussion of the Lutheran view of the Real Presence, and it was hilarious.

What should we misinterpret and discuss next?
 
” I learned more about the Lutheran faith on CAF from you than I have in my whole life!! You also taught me how to avoid lumping all “protestants” together”.

Thank you for being open to understanding new things.
I hope learning that discernment will be of great use to you, here and in your real world life.
 
JonNC said:
There’s a fungus amongus
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A mushroom walks into a bar and tries to order a drink.
Bartender says, “We don’t serve your kind around here!”
Mushroom replies, “Why not? I’m a fungi!”
 
You are very mistaken if you think that a Protestant who was brought up in Protestantism with his mother’s milk, easily become Catholic.
Try the evangelist fundamentalist to prove that forgiveness of sins can be obtained by confessing to the priest and reading prayer several times.
Try to prove to the Baptist literalist, the man who studied the Bible all his life, the doctrine of the Immaculate conception of the virgin Mary, the petition of the saints for us in Heaven.
Every Protestant has his own way to turn to Catholicism, but not many see much sense in it.
 
I’m not a protestant but I have gone a few times to the Christian and Missionary alliance - I love how well they study the Bible - on the other hand, I’m often put off by the Sunday Mass - we have in the Novus Ordo readings from the Old Testament, a Psalm, another from the new Testament and then the Gospel, but priests in general deal with anything in their sermons, instead of explaining the wonderful relations in the themes of the readings - But seeing it well, what could a priest do with people who have no idea of the Bible, as is the case with the vast majority of Catholics
 
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