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SeriousQuestion
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Because it doesn’t change the fact that it is still adultery. I’ll see what lolarose says since it is her stance.
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This is purely speculation, you cannot back up gay marriage with this. Marriage is only between a man and a woman in the eyes of God. He has created no other marriage except between man and woman. That is fact not emotion. An all loving God would show TRUE love by telling these people that they should pick up their crosses and not fall for this concept that is grounded in no scripture, and no theological understanding of sexual ethics.
Sex which is a part of marriage is for the unitive love of the spouses and procreation. Neither can be lacking. If we took out procreation from sex it degrades the use of the sexual faculty. If we had to allow homosexual acts (which are commonly found in gay marriage) then we would be degrading the nature of the sexual faculty because it removes even the remote possibility of procreation.
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Alex337
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Exes aren’t current partners though, are they? I see you edited that?
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I thought so too so I changed it.
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Alex337
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That’s just untrue. There procreative part can be lacking. I’ve had it clarified multiple times that a woman with no uterus can be married. But a man who can’t become erect can’t. It looks like it’s about sex more than procreation.lolarose:
This is purely speculation, you cannot back up gay marriage with this. Marriage is only between a man and a woman in the eyes of God. He has created no other marriage except between man and woman. That is fact not emotion. An all loving God would show TRUE love by telling these people that they should pick up their crosses and not fall for this concept that is grounded in no scripture, and no theological understanding of sexual ethics.
Sex which is a part of marriage is for the unitive love of the spouses and procreation. Neither can be lacking. If we took out procreation from sex it degrades the use of the sexual faculty. If we had to allow homosexual acts (which are commonly found in gay marriage) then we would be degrading the nature of the sexual faculty because it removes even the remote possibility of procreation.
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Alex337
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Cool. Anyway, I think comparing adultery and a loving homosexual partnership is apples and oranges.
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JimG
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God creating the human species male and female, man and woman. That is the basis of marriage. Anatomy and biology confirms it. The reproductive system is called that for a reason. It takes a sexually complementary couple—man and woman—for marital relations. It’s basic biology.
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I’ll see what lolarose thinks, but okay.
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Alex337
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Cool; why are infertile couples allowed to marry?
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JimG
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If you mean with respect to Catholic doctrine, infertile couples are not barred from marriage because they are still able to engage in marital relations.
Children are a gift, not a guarantee. And not every act of marital relations can result in conception.
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For clarification:
A man or woman who suffers impotence, either physically or psychologically, cannot enter into marriage because he or she cannot physically consummate the marriage. According to the Code of Canon Law, antecedent and perpetual impotence at the time of marriage invalidates the marriage (No. 1984.1). In sum, a person who is impotent cannot enter into marriage validly. Quite simply, a marriage must be consummated. (Note that impotence that occurs after the consummation does not impact upon the validity of the marriage; for example, if a husband suffers prostrate cancer later in life and undergoes surgery or treatment which renders him impotent, the marriage still retains its validity.)
Infertility, on the other hand, involves an inability to conceive a child. Here, the couple can express their conjugal love to each other, but one or both cannot physically conceive a child. However, infertility does not prevent a person from validly entering into marriage. The Code of Canon Law affirms, Sterility neither prohibits nor invalidates marriage (No. 1084.3). Appreciating the suffering of an infertile couple, the Catechism states, Spouses to whom God has not granted children can nevertheless have a conjugal life full of meaning, in both human and Christian terms. Their marriage can radiate a fruitfulness of charity, of hospitality, and of sacrifice (No. 1654). In this case, a couple can consummate the marriage, but they just cannot conceive children.
Marriage Without Children
My friend and I were having a discussion over whether a person who cannot have children can get married in the Catholic Church. What does the Church teach on this?
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Two men cannot ever physically consummate a marriage. Comparing an infertile couple to a gay couple is like comparing apples and oranges. They both are very different. What I meant to say is that removing the marital act that is ordered to procreation is wrong, that is why anal and oral sex is grave matter
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Alex337
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Yeah, that’s not about procreation then.Alex337:
If you mean with respect to Catholic doctrine, infertile couples are not barred from marriage because they are still able to engage in marital relations.
Children are a gift, not a guarantee. And not every act of marital relations can result in conception.
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theCardinalbird
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removing the marital act that is ordered to procreation is wrong, that is why anal and oral sex is grave matter and is condemned by the Church
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Alex337
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Sorry friend, it’s pretty evident that Catholic marriage cares about sex more than procreation.
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Only a specific form of intercourse is allowed and people of the same sex cannot engage in it.
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Alex337
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Still seems very sex obsessed. Procreation sounds secondary at best.
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JimG
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Marital relations are by nature about procreation. But conception is only possible about once a month. The Church doesn’t require of any couple to only have marital relations if they are certain that conception would result. That would be impossible. It is only required that we not artificially block the nature of marital relations.
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Sexual relations is kind of what makes marriage different from other relationships. Or at least part of what makes marriage different. Procreation is also part of intercourse in most cases.
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theCardinalbird
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With all due respect, you clearly don’t understand what the situation is. Sex has to be conjugal. Sterility neither prohibits nor invalidates marriage. Spouses to whom God has not granted children can nevertheless have a conjugal life full of meaning, in both human and Christian terms. Their marriage can radiate a fruitfulness of charity, of hospitality, and of sacrifice (No. 1654). In this case, a couple can consummate the marriage, but they just cannot conceive children…
A gay couple cannot have sex and be ordered towards procreation. They cannot consummate the marriage and there is no chance of that occuring
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Alex337
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Sorry but when the people are completely infertile, lacking a womb for instance, it’s not about procreation. Also people are fertile more than once a month.
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