Question: Is gay marriage sinful?

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Alex337 said:
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Ah, quoting out of context. Old trick but still a good one I see. Harry, that was about the phrase “mocking”, not morality.
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Oh?

You didn’t, then, attempt to legitimize same sex marriage by claiming it existed through history and across cultures?

What did you mean to state, then?
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I was firstly combating the phrase “mocking”. People said it was mocking other marriage, but marriage has existed in so many forms that that idea is silly, savvy?
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Still a problem, for you, because mockery, itself – as you, yourself, pointed out – has existed from time immemorial.

Ergo, same sex marriage or the other forms you refer to could have been mockery of marriage from whenever they began.

You certainly haven’t made the case otherwise.
 
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Oh well, I’m glad most people in my country disagree with you and support people.
 
HarryStotle said:
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Alex337:
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HarryStotle:
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Alex337:
Ah, quoting out of context. Old trick but still a good one I see. Harry, that was about the phrase “mocking”, not morality.
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Oh?

You didn’t, then, attempt to legitimize same sex marriage by claiming it existed through history and across cultures?

What did you mean to state, then?
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I was firstly combating the phrase “mocking”. People said it was mocking other marriage, but marriage has existed in so many forms that that idea is silly, savvy?
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Still a problem, for you, because mockery, itself, has existed from time immemorial.

Ergo, same sex marriage or the other forms you refer to could have been mockery of marriage from whenever they began.

You certainly haven’t made the case otherwise.
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You don’t seem to understand how mocking works. To mock a thing it needs to exist first. Savvy?
 
Alex337 said:
Good thing the couples I know are very moral people. 😊
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Assuming what you characterize as “moral” is the whole of what moral actually is.

Nothing like assuming what you need to demonstrate.
 
HarryStotle said:
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Alex337:
Good thing the couples I know are very moral people. 😊
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Assuming what you characterize as “moral” is the whole of what moral actually is.

Nothing like assuming what you need to demonstrate.
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Yeah, ones a nurse who saves lives, another works with under privileged children. Ones a teacher. Admittedly one is an accountant so ymmv (/joke). And the list goes on. Sorry, friend but they’re not wicked for who they love.
 
Alex337 said:
You don’t seem to understand how mocking works. To mock a thing it needs to exist first. Savvy?
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You haven’t exactly established that marriage didn’t pre-exist other forms. You merely stated those forms have existed for a long time.

Savvy?
 
HarryStotle said:
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Alex337:
You don’t seem to understand how mocking works. To mock a thing it needs to exist first. Savvy?
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You haven’t exactly established that marriage didn’t pre-exist other forms. You merely stated those forms have existed for a long time.

Savvy?
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I did show that they pre dated Catholic marriage, which was the point of that discussion. Savvy?
 
Alex337 said:
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HarryStotle:
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Alex337:
Good thing the couples I know are very moral people. 😊
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Assuming what you characterize as “moral” is the whole of what moral actually is.

Nothing like assuming what you need to demonstrate.
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Yeah, ones a nurse who saves lives, another works with under privileged children. Ones a teacher. Admittedly one is an accountant so ymmv (/joke). And the list goes on. Sorry, friend but they’re not wicked for who they love.
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You really don’t get that human nature is quite complex, do you?

Is it not possible that basically good people can do some bad or evil things?

Merely because someone is basically good or does some good things does not demonstrate that they are impeccable in all things.

There are doctors who perform abortions or euthanize patients. The fact that they get some moral acts correct – such as caring for the underprivileged – does not excuse them when they don’t.

There are teachers who have had sexual relationships with underage students. You aren’t claiming that because they educate students, their immoral actions should be given a pass, are you?
 
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Sorry, friend, these adults are still not wicked for having consensual sex with each other.
 
Alex337 said:
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HarryStotle:
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Alex337:
You don’t seem to understand how mocking works. To mock a thing it needs to exist first. Savvy?
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You haven’t exactly established that marriage didn’t pre-exist other forms. You merely stated those forms have existed for a long time.

Savvy?
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I did show that they pre dated Catholic marriage, which was the point of that discussion. Savvy?
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Catholic marriage is based upon what God ordained for humanity “from the beginning” – which takes us back to Jesus’ words on the matter.

God’s will for the humanity that he created would presumably predate any subsequent human notions on the matter.

Ergo, if God exists and Jesus is God then, objectively speaking, all of your speculations on the matter amount to nada.

Your assumption is that the Church’s view of marriage is its own invention. I wouldn’t just assume that.
 
Why are you espousing something so contrary to Catholicism on a Catholic site? You are basically calling out the Church and all those who believe and follow Her teaching…

Is that your goal?
 
Alex337 said:
Sorry, friend, these adults are still not wicked for having consensual sex with each other.
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When Peter tried to correct Jesus about his impending death, Jesus said, “Get behind me, Satan!”

I would assume Peter wasn’t “wicked,” although what he was counseling seemed to be, according to Jesus.

Again, your view may not align with God’s even though you don’t see how or cannot get past what you have been socialized to think.
 
there’s over 200 replies already, and the first comment is that it is a sin. Technically homosexual activities (sodomy) are considered “grave matter” and barring any exemptions stated in para. 1735 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, you are probably looking at mortal sin.

(Some Orthodox and Conservative Jews view that the prohibitions of the Bible are antiquated (and that could be a slippery slope, morally speaking). Certainly the Reformed Jews do not even consider the Hebrews scriptures to be inspired, but even if so, to have been revelation intended for its day, not modern times; they look for new revelation to solve modern problems. Can’t say much about the rationale of Protestant groups that seem to endorse or allow same-sax marriage.)
 
Catholic matrimony, sure. But in that same section Christ acknowledges other marriages exist and are marriages.
 
I mean, we can debate if gay marriage is really a thing or not (it isn’t), or if it contains good aspects of it (it can and does, but still is sinful and the few good aspects do not outweigh the bad), but eventually it comes down to the fact that it is against Church Teaching. The Church isn’t going to be changing on this…ever. It couldn’t if it wanted to. It doesn’t matter if different world governments recognize it, that doesn’t change the truth of the matter. They could deny gravity and that wouldn’t change the fact that if you drop something, it is going to fall (this is also a growing problem with those that believe truth is relative (it’s not)).

I think the better conversation to have (in general but way off topic) is how we can love and ministry to those that suffer from SSA and how to balance love and truth. But again, off topic.

On topic, and getting back to my original question, is IF knowledge removes sin and culpability or just the culpability. I appreciate the many responses and I learned some new things. But I wish there was a clearer answer via the Vatican or canon law, etc. etc. that fully answered it. I’ve yet to find one.

Thanks again! And God Bless!
 
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