Question: Is gay marriage sinful?

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Alex337 said:
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Catholic matrimony, sure. But in that same section Christ acknowledges other marriages exist and are marriages.
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What “section” are you talking about? Specify, please.
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Without reading a boatload of your own ideas into that passage, Jesus doesn’t “acknowledge” other marriages exist.

What he does is point out that Moses allowed divorce due to hardness of heart and that eunuchs (those who cannot or choose not to have sexual relations) have existed and will exist for a number of reasons (physiological and religious) including by choice (made themselves eunuchs).

What you claim Jesus “acknowledges” isn’t supported by the text.
 
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Actually look at the bit that talks about divorce. I’ve been told on this very forum that section is actually in reference to nonCatholic marriages, as the exception would not be for a recognised Catholic marriage.
 
Very curious indeed. There’s clearly no positive reason to come on here and espouse such views.
 
BlueMaxx said:
Why are you espousing something so contrary to Catholicism on a Catholic site? You are basically calling out the Church and all those who believe and follow Her teaching…

Is that your goal?
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Sorry, I didn’t notice you there my goal is pleasant discussion and I’ve had many.
 
anon10271182 said:
Very curious indeed. There’s clearly no positive reason to come on here and espouse such views.
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Sure there is. Discussion is lovely and I’ve had plenty of great talks here, more people on CAF support the LGBT+ community than you’d suspect, and sometimes those who don’t can also have a polite talk.
 
Alex337 said:
Actually look at the bit that talks about divorce. I’ve been told on this very forum that section is actually in reference to nonCatholic marriages, as the exception would not be for a recognised Catholic marriage.
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That isn’t about other “forms” of marriage, it would be with reference to the justification of divorce from the traditional form of marriage as permitted by Mosaic Law.

What you have been “told on this very forum” is irrelevant to what the teaching of the Church and the words of Jesus actually mean.

Anyone can say virtually anything on this forum, that doesn’t magically turn those words into dogma.

Read the blue disclaimer at the bottom of your screen.
 
Ah, so you believe God recognises those as marriages? Because those forms of marriage that can be dissolved could mean;
  • abusive ones
  • ones where the wife commits adultery
  • incestuous marriages
So I’m interested; in what instance is divorce allowed?
 
This is turning into apples and oranges, Alex.
And you know it…
Marriage is between a man and a woman for the Church . And divorce is also referred to a man and a woman.
And there isn t a " list " for us to “tick and send” to see if we can apply for divorce
And no,your friends aren t " wicked" nor we are " saints ",but a chair is still a chair,an apple is an apple, a woman is a woman ,a man a man .
Marriage for the Church is between a man and a woman. Not that diffficult to grasp,is it?
 
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graciew said:
This is turning into apples and oranges, Alex.
And you know it…
Marriage is between a man and a woman for the Church . And divorce is also referred to a man and a woman.
And there isn t a " list " for us to “tick and send” to apply for divorce.
And no,your friends aren t " wicked" nor we are " saints ",but a chair is still a chair,an apple is an apple, a woman is a woman ,a man a man .
Marriage for the Church is between a man and a woman. Not that diffficult to grasp,is it?
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It’s really not, marriages come in many different forms. According to that passage we either have to accept that Christ knew that people outside of the faith had marriages, or Catholics suddenly have grounds for divorce. I’d assume the former would be less controversial?
 
Take your time to read the Cathechism,Alex.
There isn t such thing as " other forms" of marriage but between a man and a woman.
Simple. As is bread.
 
graciew said:
Take your time to read the Cathechism,Alex.
There isn t such thing as " other forms" of marriage but between a man and a woman.
Simple. As is bread.
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That would be matrimony. My church, Australian Quakers, are perfectly happy with other forms of marriage.

But I am intrigued; do you then take that above passage to mean there are times when Catholics can divorce? How do you interpret it?
 
Not as " other forms " of marriage.
Marriage is marrige for us.
And it would be off topic. There are threads on divorce here in CAF already. Quite a few…
Or you may want to start a different thread about that one,Alex.
 
No worries. It would still very much seem that other styles of marriage exist and have done for a long while. Catholic matrimony is it’s own special thing, but many faiths have marriage. Even atheists.
 
Well,this " special thing " we have between a man and a woman ever since the beginning is special indeed… I can give witness 😃 Good times and bad times,rain and sun ,and over 30 years now. Wrinkles and all!
God bless you,Alex!
 
So good that homosexual couples have been doing it too 😊 my uncles just celebrated their 40th anniversary by getting legally married now we have it in Aus 💙
 
If we are speaking about the sin of sodomy, this is against the Natural Law. The Catholic Church teaches that no one can claim ignorance of the Natural Law, so no one can say they didn’t know the act was sinful.
 
Eddie18 said:
If we are speaking about the sin of sodomy, this is against the Natural Law. The Catholic Church teaches that no one can claim ignorance of the Natural Law, so no one can say they didn’t know the act was sinful.
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Gay people can do more than that. And plenty of people aren’t Catholic.
 
Also keep in mind, even if the act of sodomy is abstained from, the act of a “gay marriage” and being seen in public in this manner will spread scandal. The Catholic Church also considers scandal a grave sin:

The Commandments Explained, Rev. Devine, 1898, Scandal

“There is another species of murder forbidden by the 5th commandment, and that men will have to answer for before the tribunal of Christ - that is, the scandalizing or killing of soul by leading another into sin. This crime is called scandal, which is the murder of the soul; And as the soul can be murdered only by sin, scandal may be defined as any wrong word or action which may be the occasion of the spiritual ruin of another.”
 
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