Question: Is gay marriage sinful?

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MaryClare said:
I know what I am talking about personally I have lived with this my entire life. I have had same sex attractions. They are caused by demonic spirits and only repentance and living your life according to the bibles teachings and the teachings of the church will end this problem.

I wont discuss whether I think two people of the same sex can fall in love. Its irrelevant. Its sin, and its wrong, and its a part of a conspiracy by Satan.
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As a gay man, I’ve also been sexually attracted to others of the same sex for most of my life, so I also know what I’m talking about personally. And at least in my case, I know that my sexual feelings are not caused by demonic spirits and that there is nothing that can change the way that I feel. And I wouldn’t want to change because I do know that two people of the same sex can fall in love. I fell in love with my own partner 20 years ago and love him now just as much if not more than when we first met. I wouldn’t want to change that.
 
Just because you haven’t seen the spirits does not mean they are not active in your life for living in sin.
 
MaryClare said:
Just because you haven’t seen the spirits does not mean they are not active in your life for living in sin.
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How about the inability for them to be exorcised? I’m intrigued; if you believe you are being influenced by demons have you looked into having them removed?
 
To clarify I am not talking about demonic possession, where someone has allowed Satan into their lives through evil action and sin. I am talking about in the sense where Satan is allowed to tempt the faithful until the end times. I was taken out of context here.
 
There is a difference between being tempted by Satan and being evil and needing that evil cast out of you. There is obsession and possession. Not understanding the difference is the cause of this misunderstanding.
 
Its also not up to some John Doe on a forum to judge someone as posessed by Satan, or even some John Doe in the pew. Its up to the priests, the excorcists, and the pope to declare this. Even Satan was tempted by Jesus, and he was not excorcized was he?
 
You do not have the right to tell me that I have done something to give Satan control over my life and that I am evil and need a rite of excorcism.
 
Can you site instances where the church has done excorcisms on gay people? There are a lot of homosexuals and SSA out there, it seems if it was just as easy as having an excorcism, the church would be very, very busy. Its not that simple
 
I never said you needed an excorcism, or that you were evil. I never dared to make that judgement of you. I never would. Its not my place. I am not your priest, your excorcist, and I am not your God. Do not do it to me.
 
4 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said, “If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread.”

4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
 
Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:

‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’

and,

‘In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’ ”

7 Jesus said to him, “It is written again, ‘You shall not [a]tempt the Lord your God.’ ”

8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain, and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to Him, “All these things I will give You if You will fall down and worship me.”

10 Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”

11 Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.
 
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. "
 
I think it has to be the same thing repeated in order to constitute spam.
 
MaryClare said:
Its also not up to some John Doe on a forum to judge someone as posessed by Satan, or even some John Doe in the pew. Its up to the priests, the excorcists, and the pope to declare this. Even Satan was tempted by Jesus, and he was not excorcized was he?
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Friend, tempted is different to believing your feelings have been altered by a demon. And you literally said you believed homosexuality was a conspiracy and “I have had same sex attractions. They are caused by demonic spirits and only repentance and living your life according to the bibles teachings and the teachings of the church will end this problem.”

If they’re caused by demons then go and get rid of the demons. Jesus left the devil behind.

I don’t think it’s caused by demons. I think your logic is faulty.
 
Thorolfr said:
I wasn’t talking about anyone leaving the Catholic Church. I was talking about two Buddhists from India, for example.
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Someone without the grace to realize these actions are sinful is not culpable, but the actions are still wrong. Someone who is not ignorant of moral law nor incapable of accepting it who chooses not to accept it is theoretically culpable. Really–does anyone ask “is it a sin when some remote tribe kills their enemies and eats their hearts in honor of their valor?” People a moral conscience don’t go into a situation as an anthropologist and dig right in as if they do not know any better or as if they are free to substitute the moral code of their hosts for divine law for the duration of their visit. They may conclude that there is no need to preach where there is going to be no acceptance of the message–do not throw your pearls before swine–but it doesn’t change the truth.

Sure, there is an anthropologist who contends: "The moral judgment that condemns cannibalism is in itself a symbolic form of cannibalism, in the sense that cannibals are judged as being less than human, they are non-human because they practice anthropophagy. " (Carles Serra Pagès, Cannibalism in Montaigne, de Certeau and Derrida, copyright 2011, copied under criticism and comment standard of fair use)

Other people, however, understand the difference between an objective description of the boundaries of the moral code for humans and rendering an eternal judgment on another person. People can commit a sin without being guilty of a sin if they are ignorant (including invincibly ignorant) of the truth. That doesn’t make their behavior moral; it only means they are free of culpability. That is a big difference.
 
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I do apologize for not putting all my thoughts together in one post. I kind of overdid it here. I feel I said what needed to be said, though. It’s not irrelevant to the question, so its not spam.
 
Alex337 said:
Or in understanding that there are multiple denominations and religions who have different concepts of sin.
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There are many false religions, heretical sects, and misguided people. You’re advocating Moral Relativism which is completely wrong.

The Catholic Church is the one true Church founded by Christ. God desires for ALL to be saved; however, “Jesus established the Catholic Church as necessary for salvation, those who knowingly and willingly reject him or his Church cannot be saved.”

 
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