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Question: Is there 'bible worship' concerns among some protestants?
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Monergistic
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KJVOnlyists certainly exist. They are wrong about some things and they are a bit kooky. But Evangelical Protestants (ie., me) don’t feel that Bible worship is a warranted criticism.I am chiefly concerned about it in the case of KJVO fanatics. With them, it does seem like there’s some bibliolatry going on.
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Izdaari
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In the case of “normal” Evangelical Protestants (my own background, though I’ve left it for the liturgical mainline), I agree. I have seen very little bibliolatry among them. When I have, it’s been an aberration. I would say it’s common among KJVO’s but rare otherwise.
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PRmerger
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I’m pretty sure that what Protestants do is venerate the Bible. Heck, even the term “Holy Bible” means that it is venerated, right?
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pablope
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From Pope Francis:
In short, it was a miracle - said the Pope - because miracles are there. But prayer is needed! A courageous prayer, that fights to arrive to that miracle, not those courtesy prayers: Ah, I shall pray for you! Then a Pater Noster, an Ave Maria, and I have forgotten. No! We need a courageous prayer: like that of Abraham who wrestled with the Lord to save the city; like that of Moses that prayed with his hands on high and to exaustion; like that of many people that have faith and that with faith pray and pray."
In short, it was a miracle - said the Pope - because miracles are there. But prayer is needed! A courageous prayer, that fights to arrive to that miracle, not those courtesy prayers: Ah, I shall pray for you! Then a Pater Noster, an Ave Maria, and I have forgotten. No! We need a courageous prayer: like that of Abraham who wrestled with the Lord to save the city; like that of Moses that prayed with his hands on high and to exaustion; like that of many people that have faith and that with faith pray and pray."
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dronald
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I’ve only done the exact opposite.You say so. Funnily enough, it seems that you also want to criticize those who do not believe or practice exactly like you do.
I’ve still done the exact opposite. I believe that if it works for you it works for you, but it’s not a necessity and can’t be done on good conscience by some Protestants. (me)Again, you say so. Since you do not understand the ancient, apostolic Catholic and Orthodox Churches, why do you hurl ad hominen attacks at them?
Faith is not the Ravens versus the 49ers. It is not team sports or tribal warfare. It is a quest for the entirety of God’s revealed truth. Isn’t it?
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benjohnson
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I don’t think Protestants replace God with the Bible, but there is a danger that I see with replacing the Church with the Bible.
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po18guy
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Your dismissive “bow down to statues” comment speaks clearly to the fact that you do not understand what you are criticizing. Rather than an open heart, you cast a jaundiced eye toward what you do not understand.
I am thankful for each of the protestants and their denominations that I had contact with as I came to faith. They laid a foundation to be built upon. For that, I will be forever grateful. But, it was only the foundation. Please think about that. Paul wrote about it.
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dronald
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I’m not criticizing anything. I’m saying it doesn’t work for me, and I’m saying that you should accept that as okay. Just as I have said that I accept Catholic practices as okay.
In everyone of my posts I have been clear that I don’t believe that Catholics worship Mary and that I accept their practices, but as soon as I state that it doesn’t work for me you assume that I’m being arrogant towards Catholics. Not fair imo.
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PRmerger
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Yes, I think you have indeed said that, while you don’t find it beneficial, you don’t see anything wrong with how Catholics pray.
po18guy
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Not at all. What I object to is your use of terminology.
“bow down to statues” - this is carbon copy from the OT for idol worship.
Since you say you know that is not what is actually happening, why would you use that language?
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Nicea325
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Greetings. Honestly, I think dronald simply used the wrong words to express himself. He did state Catholics do not worship Mary. Be easy on our bother. Peace.
The_Reginator
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Hee hee.I am chiefly concerned about it in the case of KJVO fanatics. With them, it does seem like there’s some bibliolatry going on.
That reminded me of a favourite saying in our “Intervarsity Christian Fellowship” group:
“If the King James Version was good enough for St. Paul it’s good enough for me!”
I don’t know who thought that up but a bunch of us thought it represented (possibly unfairly) some evangelical Christians we came in contact with.
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dronald
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I believe it was in reply to PR saying he kneels before a statue. My comment that those who bow to statues wasn’t about idol worship at all, but rather that I believe the act of kneeling before or bowing to a statue can be rejected. Not on the argument of idol worship (by the way I understand why you may think that’s my argument since many Protestants DO in fact make those claims) but on the argument that it is not necessary for every Christian. Especially when it is a matter of conscience.
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dronald
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Here’s my quote for you before we began discussing. Typo’s included!
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Darryl_B
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With regard to Bible worship. It is easy to see from the Creed’s that there is no mention of Bible. There is mention of Holy Spirit speaking through, but that is a focus on the Holy Spirit and therefore the word spoken was implied to be reliable because of its source.
If you look at a modern day Statement of Faith of various protestant churches, the Bible will often be the first statement, then God Trinity as the second statement. We believe the Bible therefore we believe God, rather than the traditional we believe God and therefore his word.
That is going to lead to a veneration but not worship, although I have seen a cult church purchase a protestant church and immediately cover up the cross on the outside with a giant cardboard cutout of a bible. Though I think that cult church teaches that we are saved by knowledge of the bible rather than the redemption on the cross.
If you look at a modern day Statement of Faith of various protestant churches, the Bible will often be the first statement, then God Trinity as the second statement. We believe the Bible therefore we believe God, rather than the traditional we believe God and therefore his word.
That is going to lead to a veneration but not worship, although I have seen a cult church purchase a protestant church and immediately cover up the cross on the outside with a giant cardboard cutout of a bible. Though I think that cult church teaches that we are saved by knowledge of the bible rather than the redemption on the cross.
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PRmerger
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Nope. I don’t do that. That’s just not part of my prayer life. But I don’t view those who do as worshipping the statue.
Incidentally, I’m a she not a he.
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dronald
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Ah, so we both agree that such a practice is okay but may not be right for the individual.Nope. I don’t do that. That’s just not part of my prayer life. But I don’t view those who do as worshipping the statue.
Incidentally, I’m a she not a he.
And it’s been nice chatting with you then my sister!
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Nicea325
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Aahhh…nice talking to you my sister in Christ:thumbsup: I am a dude from So.Cali…surf’s up!Nope. I don’t do that. That’s just not part of my prayer life. But I don’t view those who do as worshipping the statue.
Incidentally, I’m a she not a he.
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PRmerger
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Oh, I wouldn’t say it wasn’t right for me. I just have no desire to do it.
To say “it’s not right” is to infer that “it’s wrong.” I don’t believe that at all.
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