Questions about the Priesthood

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JimmyG88 said:
Asking people on here will never be enlightening. The Pope said ‘who am I to judge’ ask your confessor. You didn’t say that you wanted to preside at a gay wedding did you. Who are we to judge who God calls
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Nice abuse of the Pontiff’s statement.
I’m sure God doesn’t call people who intend to continue to disregard his commandments.
 
JimmyG88 said:
I managed to understand it. But thank you for your concern
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Would you like to enlighten us on what you think he meant by the statement within the context of him saying it?

Maybe I’m mistaken, but I got the impression that you were saying that we have no right to judge whether homosexual marriage is an action pleasing to God or sinful?

Or are you saying we have no right to judge whether this person, bagpiper, is in error if he thinks it’s ok to be a priest but support gay marriage at the same time.

Just looking for some clarification on what you’re trying to say, if you don’t mind giving it, that is.

Thanks.
 
JamalChristophr said:
Would you like to enlighten us on what you think he meant by the statement within the context of him saying it?

Maybe I’m mistaken, but I got the impression that you were saying that we have no right to judge whether homosexual marriage is an action pleasing to God or sinful?

Or are you saying we have no right to judge whether this person, bagpiper, is in error if he thinks it’s ok to be a priest but support gay marriage at the same time.

Just looking for some clarification on what you’re trying to say, if you don’t mind giving it, that is.

Thanks.
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Neither. Im saying that we have no right to judge gay people on the fact that they are gay. And that the church should not judge them for that either.
 
JamalChristophr said:
Would you like to enlighten us on what you think he meant by the statement within the context of him saying it?

Maybe I’m mistaken, but I got the impression that you were saying that we have no right to judge whether homosexual marriage is an action pleasing to God or sinful?

Or are you saying we have no right to judge whether this person, bagpiper, is in error if he thinks it’s ok to be a priest but support gay marriage at the same time.

Just looking for some clarification on what you’re trying to say, if you don’t mind giving it, that is.

Thanks.
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And why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank that is in your own eye?
 
JimmyG88 said:
And why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank that is in your own eye?
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Ahh, so you’re saying we’re all a bunch of hypocrites for saying action x is sinful, and we really have no right to say anything to anyone, even when they ask us? OK, I think I understand now.

Thanks for clarifying.
 
Bagpiper, the Church does not judge gay people. It judges no person; that is Christ’s job.

It does, however, judge actions, and that task is part of its very being as the Church stands as a sacrament of salvation in the world. If it did not show the way that leads to life, it would be failing in its duty before Christ to tend His sheep.

God Bless You.
 
JamalChristophr said:
Ahh, so you’re saying we’re all a bunch of hypocrites for saying action x is sinful, and we really have no right to say anything to anyone, even when they ask us? OK, I think I understand now.
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It’s not my job to make pronouncements on the sinful nature of others. But then on this site there nothing like homosexuality for rising an immediate reaction. You can of course say what you wish. It was the advice of Jesus that our time might be better occupied by paying more attention to our own shortcomings rather than the shortcomings of others. We have religious leaders to whom we can turn for opinion because God has called them to be his servants in that way. The last perfect human being on Earth was crucified. And there are plenty of sinners in church on Sunday apart from the gays. Maybe we should each take a turn to have our interior life scutinused. I know mine wouldn’t be very edifying.
 
I did not mean for this thread to be a big argument. All I wanted was an answer to my original question. Thank you.
 
The Catholic Church according to the Catechism teaches gay marriages are grave matter,
If done in freedom, full knowledge, and deliberately- are a mortal sin.

Because:
Intercourse was only created by God for a husband and wife to create children. It must never take place without being open to children.

The intimacy of two gay people is a disorder of God’s natural law, at some deep level is carnal (intercourse or physical intimacy for the sake of it)

It’s written in the Bible; ‘Neither homosexuals, nor adulterers,… shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. They will be thrown into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and nashing of teeth.’

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We are not allowed to teach contrary to God’s law: if we encourage a sin, we bear that sin on our souls
‘If anyone should cause a one of these little ones to fall, it would be better for that man if he had never been born.’
 
OurLadysServant said:
The Catholic Church according to the Catechism teaches gay marriages are grave matter,
If done in freedom, full knowledge, and deliberately- are a mortal sin.

Because:
Intercourse was only created by God for a husband and wife to create children. It must never take place without being open to children.

The intimacy of two gay people is a disorder of God’s natural law, at some deep level is carnal (intercourse or physical intimacy for the sake of it)

It’s written in the Bible; ‘Neither homosexuals, nor adulterers,… shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. They will be thrown into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and nashing of teeth.’

Also:
We are not allowed to teach contrary to God’s law: if we encourage a sin, we bear that sin on our souls
‘If anyone should cause a one of these little ones to fall, it would be better for that man if he had never been born.’
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Thank you. I wouldnt teach contrary to God’s law, but if i kept my own opinion to myself and never spoke about it, would it be bad and prevent me from becoming a priest?
 
Bagpiper513 said:
Thank you. I wouldnt teach contrary to God’s law, but if i kept my own opinion to myself and never spoke about it, would it be bad and prevent me from becoming a priest?
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You can’t help what you think or feel so no of course not God doesn’t call robots to the priesthood
 
OurLadysServant said:
The Catholic Church according to the Catechism teaches gay marriages are grave matter,
If done in freedom, full knowledge, and deliberately- are a mortal sin.

Because:
Intercourse was only created by God for a husband and wife to create children. It must never take place without being open to children.

The intimacy of two gay people is a disorder of God’s natural law, at some deep level is carnal (intercourse or physical intimacy for the sake of it)

It’s written in the Bible; ‘Neither homosexuals, nor adulterers,… shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. They will be thrown into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and nashing of teeth.’

Also:
We are not allowed to teach contrary to God’s law: if we encourage a sin, we bear that sin on our souls
‘If anyone should cause a one of these little ones to fall, it would be better for that man if he had never been born.’
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Where is this ‘quote’ about homosexuals and adulters?
 
Our Lord, the creator and sustainer of all things, deemed in his divine plan and purpose that marriage of man and women would be sacred. He created man and women for each other, for them to become one in the perfect love which he had made them from, and that they be joined also to him in sacred bond. This joining of them, this love, is the love that produces life. Any other sexual relationship is not pure love, as there is no care for bringing life or God. The will to bring life into the world is a perfect love and the intended sacred love that God has handed to us, because from him he gave us life through his love. Let me highlight that again, God, through His love, gave us life. If a gay person believed in God, then they would believe what God has declared, that he made man for women and that they be joined to each other, and to Him.

You are essentially destroying your image of God by laying with the same sex. He created man and women specifically for each other, these two together are made in the image of God. When these two join together in perfect love, along with Christ who is the center holding them together, then they complete the image of God. By their perfect love, they will bring life just as God brought life.

We see this in scripture. How can the Church that Christ established go willingly against what Christ commanded?

You are young, your understanding of these things needs to grow. The secular world is a powerful force, it is ingrained in every part of the day. Through commercials, tv shows, movies, books, schools, etc. It changes what we might think to be acceptable. If most of society agrees with and supports same sex marriage, then you are susceptible to being intertwined in their logic. However, if we hold to the truth of what Christ taught, a truth that leads to the source of life, the source of all goodness, then the secular worlds logic crumbles.

Trust in Him who loves you beyond anything or anyone in the world. All he has asked us to do is to love one another, (which doesn’t include supporting someone’s sin), and to love him. And how did he say we love him? “Keep my commandments”. It isn’t a thing out of fear, or merely just a rule, it is much grander than that. It has all to do with the goodness of it, the righteousness of it. The reality of it. The reality that we are doing the Will of the one who holds all things, the Will that is the source of love and life.
 
JimmyG88 said:
Where is this ‘quote’ about homosexuals and adulters?
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [f]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19-21

Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, 20 idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, [j]factions, 21 envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
 
HisCross said:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [f]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
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I am familiar with that I was confused by the gnashing of teeth reference which Paul doesn’t make if I remember and Jesus does. I think it’s best not to confuse Gospels with Epistles and I don’t think Jesus mentions homosexuality, so eluding two quotes into one could be a bit misleading. I could be wrong I’m not a scholar
 
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