Questions about the Tridentine Mass

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**Please be kind as I’m new to this Mass. We have gone about a dozen times and our DD received her First Holy Eucharist there yesterday, it was truly beautiful!

So the guests that came to the Mass (that we invited) were very unreceptive to it all. They complained about everythign and anything that they could. I am new to all this so I’m still in the process of learning it all myself. It’s hard for me to answer some of their negative statements because I don’t have all the answers. So if anyone could help me out I’d greatly appreciate it:
  1. Confession during the Mass: They complained that it was a ‘distraction’ and that why was it being done? I was there, I didn’t find it distracting BECAUSE they were quiet, not talking in line and there was around at least 2 ft between each person. Most of them were reading their missals. For part of the MAss, I needed to nurse the baby so I went to the back, near where the line was and really there wasn’t any movements, noises , etc. coming from the confession line. But what is the reason that it’s offered, and for most of the Mass?
  2. Bowing to the priest in the procession and exit: I would guess that A) we aren’t bowing toe the priest and B) we are bowing to the crucifix that is being carried by the altar servers. What you say? They said they felt like ‘the priest was being worshipped and the alt boys were his ‘minions’ and they kissed his ring and lifted his vestments during the Mass’’’ So, why do they lift up the vestments during the EUcharistic prayer and why do they kiss his ring?? I need to know so I can ‘teach’ them.
They also complained about receiving on the tongue, no Blood offered, etc. etc. But I already know the answers for those. Seems tho that no matter what, some people will find anythign to complain about. And these are the same people that grew up w/ the Latin Mass but never understood it. 🤷**
 
Not sure why confessions were held during Mass at the parish you attend, but it’s not uncommon. As far as those complaining, it was probably culture shock of sorts. I’ve seen confession lines at Ordinary Form Masses as well.

At the parish I attend the TLM, we genuflect and cross ourselves as the crucifix passes, and we bow as the priest(s) pass. Not everyone does it, but many do.

Just traditional customs, as is the lifting of the vestments during censing and the elevations. In earlier times, the vestments were much heavier, so they were lifted to relieve the weight from the arms of the priest.

Seems these folks had their minds made up they didn’t like the TLM before they ever set foot in the church. 😦

Are these Catholics we are talking about here ? If so, I’d ask them what label they put on altar girls. Are they “minions” as well ? Are EMHC’s "minions " ?
 
At_Trent said:
At the parish I attend the TLM, we genuflect and cross ourselves as the crucifix passes, and we bow as the priest(s) pass. Not everyone does it, but many do.
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Thanks for pointing out the genuflection. I have seen this done and I wasn’t sure who they were genuflecting to. I thought it was the Priest. So the cross gets a genuflection and the priest a bow. Good to know.
 
mamacita said:
**Please be kind as I’m new to this Mass. We have gone about a dozen times and our DD received her First Holy Eucharist there yesterday, it was truly beautiful!

So the guests that came to the Mass (that we invited) were very unreceptive to it all. They complained about everythign and anything that they could. I am new to all this so I’m still in the process of learning it all myself. It’s hard for me to answer some of their negative statements because I don’t have all the answers. So if anyone could help me out I’d greatly appreciate it:
  1. Confession during the Mass: They complained that it was a ‘distraction’ and that why was it being done?**
Because it’s a new thing to NOT offer confession during Mass. The priest shortage is partly responsible for this. Blessed Pope John Paul II was in favor of confession during Mass.
Motu Proprio Misercordia Dei (April 7, 2002)
2. Local Ordinaries, and parish priests and rectors of churches and shrines, should periodically verify that the greatest possible provision is in fact being made for the faithful to confess their sins. It is particularly recommended that in places of worship confessors be visibly present at the advertised times, that these times be adapted to the real circumstances of penitents, and that confessions be especially available before Masses, and even during Mass if there are other priests available, in order to meet the needs of the faithful.
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I believe it is a tradition to genuflect to the cross in the procession. Someone else will need to help me on that.

Kissing the ring is a sign of respect.

You life up the vestments at the consecration as it is symbolic of raising up the priest and the Host up to Heaven…at least that is what I thought.

Kissing on the tongue has been the norm of receiving our Lord throughout the whole history of the Church. It has only been recent in the Novus Ordo where the recipients of communion are allowed to receive in the hand. However this is a Tridentine Mass…so the standards that applied in 1962 apply today when it is celebrated.

No blood…well again receiving our Lord via the Precious Blood is a new thing. So you will not find it in the 1962 Tridentine Mass.

If you have any more questions, feel free to respond. People are generally nice…certain topics can really rile up some people…just stick to what the Church teaches as valid and you will be fine!

My personal preference is the properly said Mass according to the direction and teachings of Holy Mother Church!
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The priest during Mass acts In Persona Christi.

In serving the priest one serves Christ.

People today object to such service because they are blinded by their pride and envy, they hate so see anyone been treated with more respect than they themselves are treated.

Their comments say far more about them than about the Mass.
 
In the good old times if there was a priest present when many people gathered, he sat in the confessional providing opportunity for confessions. This is natural: God expects primarily pure hearts and soul, the attention is secondary. In my regular Church there is always confession during Mass, and there are always lines. Blessed John Paul II advised this practice too. Those who teach, that this distracts the attention from the Mass, usually want to distract the attention from the sin.

As for the bowing, I was altar server for long enough, but it never came o my mind that I bow to the priest: I bowed to Jesus Christ and His presence, through the Eucharist and through the priest, who by the power of his ordination represents Him. As for minion, yes, I felt myself the minion of the priest, and my heart is always warming up, when I see this proud feeling on the face of the altar boys
 
mamacita said:
**Please be kind as I’m new to this Mass. We have gone about a dozen times and our DD received her First Holy Eucharist there yesterday, it was truly beautiful! **

awesome! 🙂 congratulations
So the guests that came to the Mass (that we invited) were very unreceptive to it all.
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receiving the Eucharist on the tongue is the way recommended by Rome… 🙂

God bless
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corsair said:
I, too, love the EF Mass. Here is a link to a short video of our Easter Vigil.
www.northamericanmartyrs.org/

God Bless
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Truly beautiful; it almost made me wish I still lived in Seattle - almost.

As one just returning to the Church after a half-a-century away, I am struggling with the OF Mass. It just seems so, well, " Protestant", (and I realize I am opening a can of worms here). I must arrive a good half hour before Mass to get any quiet praying in, as it seems it is now acceptable to greet your friends and visit while waiting for the procession to begin. Maybe I am just too distractable, but I really did come here to pray and worship, not talk about the weather and how the grandkids are! At least with TLM, I could follow along and still pray, and not worry about responding verbally to the priests’ prayers, nor tuning up my very terrible singing voice. My parish offers one Tridentine service per month, in the evening, and not always a Sunday, but I am grateful for it. It is taking this old dog awhile to learn the new…
 
halleone said:
Truly beautiful; it almost made me wish I still lived in Seattle - almost.

As one just returning to the Church after a half-a-century away, I am struggling with the OF Mass. It just seems so, well, " Protestant", (and I realize I am opening a can of worms here). I must arrive a good half hour before Mass to get any quiet praying in, as it seems it is now acceptable to greet your friends and visit while waiting for the procession to begin. Maybe I am just too distractable, but I really did come here to pray and worship, not talk about the weather and how the grandkids are! At least with TLM, I could follow along and still pray, and not worry about responding verbally to the priests’ prayers, nor tuning up my very terrible singing voice. My parish offers one Tridentine service per month, in the evening, and not always a Sunday, but I am grateful for it. It is taking this old dog awhile to learn the new…
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I know what you mean… I wish the TLM would become more available, or the Novus Ordo would be reformed. I think the Holy Father is trying to do that. His new instructions on the Summorum Pontificum are coming out this Friday… we’ll see what he says 🙂

God bless
 
Mamacita,

I felt bad reading about the experience with your guests. It’s hard to have something loved be criticized, especially the Holy Mass. How it would hurt my heart!

Well, here’s an article regarding the liturgical kiss, which may be of interest. I couldn’t find the direct link, so I did a copy and paste from the saved PDF.
A reader has asked for an explanation of liturgical kisses during the Tridentine Mass.

The rubrics state that an altar server is to kiss an object before handing it to the priest, and after taking an object from the priest. In a typical Sung Mass, these objects include the biretta, or priest’s hat; the cruets; and the thurible.

The rubrics recommend, but do not require, that the hand of the priest be kissed before handing him the kissed object; and after taking an object from him, prior to kissing the object. Nowadays, this is generally only done if the celebrant requests it. Note that a liturgical kiss, or óscula, is not a “smack”, but rather a simple bouncing of the object off the server’s lips. The purpose is to acknowledge to sacredness of objects employed in the Holy Mass.

Also note that objects used, but not handed to the priest, are not kissed. For example, at the Offertory, the servers kiss the cruets of wine and water before handing them to the celebrant, but those same cruets are not kissed after Communion, when the servers pour water and wine over the priest’s fingers, because they do not hand the cruets to him.

The faithful themselves offer a liturgical kiss on Palm Sunday, when kneeling at the Communion Rail to receive a blessed palm; on Good Friday when venerating the Cross; and when venerating relics.

Tridentine Community News, January 6, 2008, www.stjosaphatchurch.org
take care,
amsjj 🙂

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Jesus, God and man,
imprisoned by love in Thy most holy Sacrament,
have mercy upon us.
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ese Cristo con su Cuerpo, con su Sangre, con su Alma, y con su Divinidad,
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