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I didn’t see a thread that dealt with this topic, so here it is. You can direct questions, discussions, and concerns about the 2006 federal election here if you like. I for one find myself in a little quandry…

My riding’s Conservative candidate would support abortion if it came to a vote, although (so his campaign team says… dunno if I trust them) he would oppose it if most of his constituents asked for it. Now, this guy is really my only choice, and if I don’t vote for him then I can’t vote. And a missing vote for the Conservatives is in a way a vote for the Liberals. But the thing is, the Conservatives say they won’t bring up abortion or make any changes (which irks me to no end, of course… :mad: ). What do you guys think I should do? Should I vote for this guy? Should I abstain?
 
I would choose the lesser of two evils. One is decidedly pro-abortion. It seems the other thinks that he couldn’t do anything about it yet and would choose his battles in areas he could be more effective.
 
Here is a Catholic Answers Q&A on the 5 non-negotiables voter’s guide:

Q&A on the Voter’s Guide

I can’t download the actual non-negotiables because my computer won’t let me. Can someone give a safe link?
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Cradle:
My riding’s Conservative candidate would support abortion if it came to a vote, although (so his campaign team says… dunno if I trust them) he would oppose it if most of his constituents asked for it.
Yes, that sounds like the party line. I understand your quandary.

The Christian Heritage Party is the only party – to my knowledge – which includes in its platform a position against abortion. Is there a CHP candidate in your riding?

In my riding there are candidates for the Conservative Party of Canada, the Liberal Party, the New Democratic Party, the Green Party, the Marxist-Leninist Party, the Communist Party of Canada, the Communist League, and the Animal-Environment Party.

None of these candidates will revisit the question of the legality of abortion nor of the other non-negotiables.

Given that, we are then free to consider other Catholic concerns. But I didn’t give up.

The Conservatives have dropped the social-conservative agenda from their platform. Many of them are madder than hek about that. So my friend held our candidate’s feet to the fire. Feeling the sweat on his brow he compromised. He agreed to oppose any attempt to give Henry Morgentaler the Order of Canada.

This is a concrete productive step in a morally licit direction.

Another request which can be reasonably made is that your candidate initiate legislation on the Right of Women to Know. The Right to Know includes knowledge of health risks which right now are withheld from women and suppressed in the news. It also includes an ultra sound which clearly shows the fetus to be a living being.

We are going to make gains by never giving up on the unborn and by dismantling the opposition chunk by chunk legally just like the American courts have done.
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Now, this guy is really my only choice, and if I don’t vote for him then I can’t vote. And a missing vote for the Conservatives is in a way a vote for the Liberals.
I so know whereof you speak. I went to the all-candidates meeting in my riding last week. I thought I had everything researched and then when I actually met these people I was so deflated. Could I really trust any of them? And the crowd was raucous and hateful. I decided not to vote.

Then I went to my class. One of my student’s parents were voting for the first time and there was great excitement in the class. How could I throw away something which was so precious to so many? So I will vote.

On the Harper thread, there is a quote from Fr Pavone of Priests for Life. He acknowledges that we will not have perfect candidates. I think we must hold our candidates’ feet to the fire and do the best we can with an appalling situation.

And then we must hold our bishops’ feet to the fire as well.

You are not alone. There are a whole bunch of Canadian Catholics on this forum. We so know how you feel.
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What do you guys think I should do? Should I vote for this guy? Should I abstain?
Vote for this guy, but make it clear to him that your vote is conditional on his making some kind of reasonable compromise in order to respect the largest religious group in Canada which is us Catholics. And then hold his feet to the fire. Remember those babies and be firm. 👍
 
Ani Ibi (I still read that as “Ilbi”… sorry!) your reply was a great help. 👍 It gave me some strength and got me to contact his office again.

And, as God’s will would have it, I managed to bypass the candidate’s campaign team and actually spoke to him. And, fortunately, he turned out to be pro-life and very Christian! (If anyone’s in my area, that would be Marc Dalton.) The only thing that disappointed me was that he didn’t seem to know much about palliative care, but oh well, no candidate is perfect. :bounce:

Hmm. I’m thinking now that I should have told him his team had said he was pro-abortion…

Btw, Ani Ibi, could you give me a link on this Women’s Right to Know legislation or proposal for legislation? I’m a bit confused as to what it entails.
 
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Btw, Ani Ibi, could you give me a link on this Women’s Right to Know legislation or proposal for legislation? I’m a bit confused as to what it entails.
There are various Right to Know movements. Some involve the environment. Some involve other things.

Basically there are health risks which women are frequently not told. These are depression, suicide, future infertility and miscarriages, breast cancer and the list goes on.

Also the Right to Know involves mandatory ultra sounds so that the woman can see and make up their own minds about the fetus being a living human.

Also the Right to Know involves a woman knowing that abortion causes the fetus pain.

National Right to Life

Right to Life Toronto

Woman’s Right to Know

For more info just enter “right to know right to life” in your googe window.
 
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Should I abstain?
Yes.

But for a more overriding reason.

It has become more apparent the system of government itself does not meet the needs of it’s people. I have been reading more and more Canadian editorials that are entertaining the thought of abolishing the system altogether to a true democratic one. As it is right now, the system is a hybrid that manifests outward symtoms of it’s failings. The Canadian system is called a parliamentary democracy. This by any definition is an oxymoron, and was termed this way in an attempt to appease both political bents that exist in Canada today, monarchists and democratic.

These editorials are advocating a presidential type government, where the people elect leaders, not the party, and where the prime ministers/presidents can get arrested/suspended/impeached while an investigation, not an enquiry, is in effect, and where a criminal case would not become an election issue, but be a matter for a judicial process. These infringements of basic democratic code are eagerly applied by the justice system to the common citizen without recourse, and he could never hope to have his case “enquired”, but it never applies to the elight in a monarchist system. As it is now, the system tries to administer to the two concepts, but that does not work.

You will be hardpressed to find a Canadian who swears allegiance to the crown to admit his very body belongs to the queen, along with his children and all his possessions, but in a monarchist system, that is the reality. This same Canadian who tries to express the democratic right to defend himself at trial will be surprised that he can’t do so because the crown refuses such rights(99.9999% of the times). The list goes on.

Even now the Dominion under the monarch’s domain does not share common viewpoints. England is siding with differing nations on their own platform of importance, and Canadian views are not shared. What is missed is that the monarch decides what is shared in this type of system, and Canada’s actions if taken to issue by her could be found dictated by this same monarch.

In my view it is time for Canada to move up to a democratic, true electorial system, where parties have a set time to carry out their mandates, where all citizens are equal under a constitution that is for the people by the people, and not for the people by the monarch. It is time for Canada to mature, to take on a cloak of courage and decide what it wants for it’s people, and stop the fence sitting.

Andy
 
After seeing how much Paul Martin has demonized those of us that are social conservatives, I don’t think anybody can in good conscience as a Christian vote for the Liberals this time around. Apparently being pro-life and against same-sex marriage is somehow ‘un-Canadian’ according to Paul Martin. I’m disgusted to be quite frank. The Conservative party, although they’ve vowed not to re-open the abortion debate at this time, are the only party that won’t marginalize those of us that are pro-lifers.

Having said all that, here’s a link to candidates that will vote in favour of maintaining the traditional definition of marriage (non-partisant):

votemarriagecanada.ca/canada/ONEndorsements.html

Abortion won’t be on the table during the next government’s mandate, but same-sex marriage will be. Vote accordingly!
 
For any Canadian that hasn’t yet decided how to vote on Monday, I encourage you to read Michael Coren’s article in Saturday’s Toronto Sun. He is the only true Catholic journalist in this country in the main stream media, and I give him a lot of respect:

torontosun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists/Coren_Michael/2006/01/21/1404133.html
The lies. Paul Martin telling faith leaders in a private meeting that he personally opposed same-sex marriage, but then standing up in Parliament and accusing anybody who opposed the notion of being un-Canadian. His promise to reduce the “democratic deficit” but then denying a free vote on the issue to cabinet ministers and using a carrot and stick to influence backbenchers.
 
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