Questions for Catholics

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Of course she needed a Redeemer - & her Redeemer is her Sanctifier. All that she is, she is by His grace only. She is not His rival EEK but His most glorious trophy. It is unevangelical to apply the “great and precious promises” of God to oneself, & not also to Mary our fellow-Christian. If we “trample satan underfoot”, how does she not ? If we can be seated on His throne - why can’t she ? If “God is glorious in His saints” - how is He not glorious in Mary ? And as He is, we must respond to Him; & we do so, by glorifying Him for His works in her - which we cannot do, if we do not look at them & so, at her. Because all this has no value but to glorify God, the whole point of loving her is only that we may obediently love God. That she has been loved in a wrong way, is no reason not to love her.

1. Mary was the mother of Jesus the man not his devine nature of God.

The two things can’t be separated. The Eternal Word Who humbled Himself to take upon Himself our human nature, was not “always” man - He became man, in time; His Sacred Humanity had a beginning. “The man Christ Jesus” had - has - a human mother; & this man is “the Lord of Glory”, “the Holy One of God”, “the Word made flesh”; this man, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, is God Almighty. Not allegorically, but “really, truly, and substantially”. So Mary, by being mother of the man, cannot avoid being mother of the Lord of Glory, because “the man” & “the Lord” are the very same Divine Person. There is only one Jesus Christ. So she is the mother of God.​

1. God looks at us through the Lord Jesus Christ he sees us in all pure white holiness of his son. he does not see our sins

Agreed, as long as this is not taken in a sense which denies the Truthfulness of God​

1. Good works are a by product of salvation. We do works not to get salvation but because we have already gotten it.

This can be taken in a true sense, & in a false sense. It’s too big a topic to be dealt with briefly​

13) Leviticus 3:17 says drinking blood is forbidden. In view of the scriptural teaching that drinking blood is forbidden do you think the deciples schooled in the commandments would have understood Jesus to be instructing them to go directly against the commandments?​

This is also too big a topic to be dealt with briefly​

1. If The Church al over the world holds mass wouldnt jesus human body have to be everywhere present? Doesnt scripture teach that only christ divine nature not his human nature is everywher present. Christ body is in heaven (Rev 1:13-16)
2. How can Jesus statement “It is finished” (Jn 19:30) be reconciled with the continual re-presenting of Christ sacrifice in the Mass?
3. Instead of belivers having the full assurance of coplete forgivness of sins through the once for all sacrifice the Mass gives a constant reminder of sins and remaining guilt to be atoned for week after week

Suppose you see film footage of the Watergate break-in 50 times - does that mean it happened 50 times ?

So with the Mass. It makes present, thousands of times, a single unique & unrepeatable event; not by putting Christ on the Cross, but by showing forth His Death on the Cross. “If we sin, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” - unless only one sin has ever been committed, forgiveness is needed more than once. If you have committed sins on two separate occasions, as a Christian, you need forgiveness for both those occasions. Scripture rather suggests that Christians sin more than twice. For each of those times, forgiveness is needed. Does that mean Christ suffered twice for sin ?

So with the Mass - if our many requests for the many forgivenesses we need for our many different times of sinning do not imply many Crucifixions, why should the many re-presentings mean many Crucifixions ? Each of them is a separate application of the benefits of that single saving action. The “well of salvation” is one - but we need to draw from it many times; not because it lacks anything, but because *we *do.

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[Gottle_of_Geer]

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1. The bible teaches that all sins not just mortal sins cause spiritual death or spiritual seperation from God

Mortal sin is sin in the proper sense, sin as mentioned in Rom. 6.23; it is sin “full-grown”, unlike other sins - there is also this:​

• 1Jo 5:13 I write this to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
• 1Jo 5:14 And this is the confidence which we have in him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us.
• 1Jo 5:15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have obtained the requests made of him.
• 1Jo 5:16 If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that.
• 1Jo 5:17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not mortal.
• 1Jo 5:18 We know that he who is born of God does not sin, but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
  We have, somehow or other, to take account of all that is said in the Bible on a subject - not just of part of what of what is said. That is one of the reasons we are a Church rather than unrelated individuals, why there is a teaching authority, & why we need Christ to teach us through His Spirit:* He* is all-sufficient, we are not.

1. the apostles proclaimed Gods forgivness of sin based on belief in Christ as savior(Atcs 5:31) They merly announced what heaven already announced.

This does not do full justice to the commission of binding & loosing they were given. St. Paul’s action in the matter of the incestuous Corinthian went beyond proclamation, to judgement:​

• 1Cor 5:1 It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and of a kind that is not found even among pagans; for a man is living with his father’s wife.
• 1Cr 5:2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
• 1Cr 5:3 For though absent in body I am present in spirit, and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment
• 1Cr 5:4 in the name of the Lord Jesus on the man who has done such a thing. When you are assembled, and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus,
• 1Cr 5:5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
  And see:
• 1Tim 1:18 This charge I commit to you, Timothy, my son, in accordance with the prophetic utterances which pointed to you, that inspired by them you may wage the good warfare,
• 1Ti 1:19 holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting conscience, certain persons have made shipwreck of their faith,
• 1Ti 1:20 among them Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.
  The Church of Christ is to proclaim His Gospel - & it is equipped to punish Christians, if need be.

Hope that is some help to you

 

[Ignatius]

these are some questions that I have seen. there real quick questions that I would like real quick answers to. They are anti Catholic questions than many people may run into I need help comeing up with a quick responce to each question for my notes. Kind of like John Martinoni’s 2 min apologetics. But these are more questions that he does not cover.

anyway please answer all the questions if you are going to respond I dont want to search all over the thread and only get some of the quesitons answered. Also if any Protestant has an issue with someones answers feel free to start a thread on the particular questons dont debate on this thred please all I want is quick answers to these quick questions

I think this will be good and could branch off into some good threads.

1. No apocryphal book contains predictive prophecy, which would serve to confirm divine inspirations
2. No new testament writer quoted from any of the apocyphal books as Scripture or gave them the slightest authority as inspired books
3. bible alone Jesus rebuked some of the Pharisees this Neglecting the commandment of God you hols to the traditions of men (Mk 7:8)
4. When Paul list the authority structure in the early Church in (1cor12:28) there is not mention of a pope"God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers"
5. Paul corrects Peter in (Gal 2:11-14) If Peter had been a supreme pontiff during this time Paul would have been out of order. Pauls correction shows Peter was not considered suprem
6. Scripture indicates that the church is built on the foundation of the prohets and apostles eph 2:20. Once a foundation is built no further foundation is needed and theref ore there is no need for apostolic successors
7. in view of the tremendous attention paid to Mary in the Catholic church she is metion very few times in the new testament
8. Jesus never exalted his mother as Catholic do. He is often seen downplaying her like calling her woman instead of mother
9. Jeus unique qualificaton as Redeemer is precisely what disqualifies Mary from being co redeemer she her self need a redeemer(Lk 1:48)
10. Mary was the mother of Jesus the man not his devine nature of God.
11. God looks at us through the Lord Jesus Christ he sees us in all pure white holiness of his son. he does not see our sins
12. Good works are a by product of salvation. We do works not to get salvation but because we have already gotten it.
13. Leviticus 3:17 says drinking blood is forbidden. In view of the scriptural teaching that drinking blood is forbidden do you think the deciples schooled in the commandments would have understood Jesus to be instructing them to go directly against the commandments?
14. If The Church al over the world holds mass wouldnt jesus human body have to be everywhere present? Doesnt scripture teach that only christ divine nature not his human nature is everywher present. Christ body is in heaven (Rev 1:13-16)
15. How can Jesus statement “It is finished” (Jn 19:30) be reconciled with the continual re-presenting of Christ sacrifice in the Mass?
16. Instead of belivers having the full assurance of coplete forgivness of sins through the once for all sacrifice the Mass gives a constant reminder of sins and remaining guilt to be atoned for week after week
17. The bible teaches that all sins not just mortal sins cause spiritual death or spiritual seperation from God
18. the apostles proclaimed Gods forgivness of sin based on belief in Christ as savior(Atcs 5:31) They merly announced what heaven already announced.

It’s not clear what you are asking here. Can you please rephrase each of these as a question so that we can give a quick response to each question?

 

[Dr_M]

1. Jeus unique qualificaton as Redeemer is precisely what disqualifies Mary from being co redeemer she her self need a redeemer(Lk 1:48)

We do not teach that Mary is a co-redeemer.

Actually this is false, co derives from the latin word cum, which means with. When we say Mary is a a co-redeemer, what that means is she would have suffered with Jesus. In that sense she is a co-redeemer, because she’s suffering with Jesus (the sword piercing her heart thing).

She is NOT a redeemer in Salvation