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This is for any Roman rite Catholics that have a great love for the Eastern Rites. Have you joined an Eastern parish and stopped going to any Roman liturgies? If so do you strictly follow eastern customs, fasting laws, holy days of obligation or do you follow Roman law? How about prayer? Do you pray the Breviary, Rosary etc or have you switched over to eastern type prayer. Do you identify with the Roman rite or the Eastern?

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This is for any Roman rite Catholics that have a great love for the Eastern Rites. Have you joined an Eastern parish and stopped going to any Roman liturgies? If so do you strictly follow eastern customs, fasting laws, holy days of obligation or do you follow Roman law? How about prayer? Do you pray the Breviary, Rosary etc or have you switched over to eastern type prayer. Do you identify with the Roman rite or the Eastern?

Bruce
I have much respect for the Eastern Catholic Churches in communion with Rome. As a Roman Rite Catholic I love the Roman Latin Church and its traditions and theology than the East, but that is just me personally. However, the East is very beautiful in theology, liturgy, spirituality, and also the way there Churches are built, especially the Byzantine Rite Catholic Churches.

God Bless,
BVMFatima
 
This is for any Roman rite Catholics that have a great love for the Eastern Rites. Have you joined an Eastern parish and stopped going to any Roman liturgies? If so do you strictly follow eastern customs, fasting laws, holy days of obligation or do you follow Roman law? How about prayer? Do you pray the Breviary, Rosary etc or have you switched over to eastern type prayer. Do you identify with the Roman rite or the Eastern?

Bruce
I identify with Eastern Catholicism more than Roman, despite being raised Roman. I pray the Eastern prayers: The office, prayer rule of the theotokos; preferring the liturgical life in the East, as well as the fasting norms.

Also, the interconnected way of life is a very crucial reason
 
But wait, arnt eastern Catholics basically Roman (not Latins) due to them being in communion with Rome? The Church calls the entire Church Roman Catholic sometimes.
 
I joined a Byzantine church because it was close to my house, because the Latin Mass I loved was a 12 mile drive. I attend both on and off but I think I still identify with the Latin. I did the Byz fast for Great Lent. It sure made Easter more joyful! 🙂 and will probably do it next year too. I attend Byz and Latin holy day liturgies. Though I’m loving the sacred Byzantine liturgy, learning about the Eastern saints and theology, getting blessed with oil, and blessed bread, I miss the quiet prayer time at the Latin Mass, kneeling (standing is uncomfortable for me), and sometimes miss the choir and organ. You can stay in the Latin church and pray for a while after Mass, and I like that too. I could never give up the rosary, but often say the Jesus prayer on it too. I say the Christian Prayer LOTH right now.

Sometimes I attend the Vatican 2 Mass if it fits into my schedule best because I like to receive Communion every day if I can.

Christ is risen! Indeed he is risen!
 
This is for any Roman rite Catholics that have a great love for the Eastern Rites. Have you joined an Eastern parish and stopped going to any Roman liturgies? If so do you strictly follow eastern customs, fasting laws, holy days of obligation or do you follow Roman law? How about prayer? Do you pray the Breviary, Rosary etc or have you switched over to eastern type prayer. Do you identify with the Roman rite or the Eastern?

Bruce
There is no need to stop going to Roman liturgies simply because one has an attraction to the East as if there is competition between the two. As a canonical Latin, at a minimum I follow the laws of the Latin Church regarding fasting and Holy Day observations. However, from time to time I also add in practices of the East as well, such as attending their Holy Day celebrations.

I visit our local Maronite parish and Byzantine Catholic community during the summer months. My home parish, however, is an Anglican Use (founded by Anglican converts to the Catholic Church with approval from the late Pope John Paul II to use a different liturgy than the Roman Missal). It has very beautiful worship.

My purpose in this life, as I see it, is to glorify God and to prepare my soul for life eternal. And I will use whatever material is conducive to this purpose, whether of the East or of the West insomuch as it is compatible with the teachings of the Holy Catholic Faith.
 
But wait, arnt eastern Catholics basically Roman (not Latins) due to them being in communion with Rome? The Church calls the entire Church Roman Catholic sometimes.
The term “Roman Catholic” is often used by Protestants and Eastern Orthodox to describe the whole Holy Catholic Church (in full communion with the reigning pontiff) in order to emphasize 1) that this Holy Church is not the only Catholic church there is (Protestant perspective) or 2) that they believe their church to be the true Catholic church (Eastern Orthodox perspective).

Sometimes we Catholics have no choice but to go along with their terminology, which is why “Roman Catholic” is often used to describe the whole Church in some official documents.
 
This is for any Roman rite Catholics that have a great love for the Eastern Rites. Have you joined an Eastern parish and stopped going to any Roman liturgies? If so do you strictly follow eastern customs, fasting laws, holy days of obligation or do you follow Roman law? How about prayer? Do you pray the Breviary, Rosary etc or have you switched over to eastern type prayer. Do you identify with the Roman rite or the Eastern?

Bruce
No; the nearest Eastern church is a 44 minute bus ride away (inner city). But I do go occasionally.

No. I’m afraid of the fasting laws.

I still pray Compline in the modern LotH, and other prayers randomly and sporadically.

While I like the Easterns a lot, I am a Roman Catholic.
 
This is for any Roman rite Catholics that have a great love for the Eastern Rites. Have you joined an Eastern parish and stopped going to any Roman liturgies? If so do you strictly follow eastern customs, fasting laws, holy days of obligation or do you follow Roman law? How about prayer? Do you pray the Breviary, Rosary etc or have you switched over to eastern type prayer. Do you identify with the Roman rite or the Eastern?

Bruce
technically speaking everyone in our Mission (both Easterners and Westerners) are members of our Roman CAtholic Cathedral b/c that is currently where we have Divine Liturgy (in the chapel).

However my DH and I (and our kids) will be formally transferring to the UGCC later this year. As of Nov 15 2012 we follow the Byzantine way of life (so to speak lol!)…fasting on weds and fridays and during the 4 Fasts; Byzantine holy days; Jesus Prayer; Prayer of ST. Ephraim during Great Lent and always learning learning learning more about the East :).

I very much identify with the East and my DH is liking it more and more as well. My son loves going to Divine Liturgy (where he helps serve) and hasn’t been to a Mass in a while. By daughters have learned to do the sign of the cross “Byzantine style” especially when we hear anything involving the Trinity 🙂 We have icons and are in the process of setting up a little icon corn (really it’s a section of our wall). We don’t say the Rosary mainly b/c it was never anything that I was devoted to even when all I knew was the Roman Rite.
 
technically speaking everyone in our Mission (both Easterners and Westerners) are members of our Roman CAtholic Cathedral b/c that is currently where we have Divine Liturgy (in the chapel).

However my DH and I (and our kids) will be formally transferring to the UGCC later this year. As of Nov 15 2012 we follow the Byzantine way of life (so to speak lol!)…fasting on weds and fridays and during the 4 Fasts; Byzantine holy days; Jesus Prayer; Prayer of ST. Ephraim during Great Lent and always learning learning learning more about the East :).

I very much identify with the East and my DH is liking it more and more as well. My son loves going to Divine Liturgy (where he helps serve) and hasn’t been to a Mass in a while. By daughters have learned to do the sign of the cross “Byzantine style” especially when we hear anything involving the Trinity 🙂 We have icons and are in the process of setting up a little icon corn (really it’s a section of our wall). We don’t say the Rosary mainly b/c it was never anything that I was devoted to even when all I knew was the Roman Rite.
Good luck w/ your transfer; and I take it, your canonical transfer 🙂
 
This is for any Roman rite Catholics that have a great love for the Eastern Rites. Have you joined an Eastern parish and stopped going to any Roman liturgies? If so do you strictly follow eastern customs, fasting laws, holy days of obligation or do you follow Roman law? How about prayer? Do you pray the Breviary, Rosary etc or have you switched over to eastern type prayer. Do you identify with the Roman rite or the Eastern?

Bruce
When we first started attending our Byzantine parish, we kept to the Latin rite customs, fastings (or lack of) and holy days. After about 1 year at the Byzantine parish, we started following the Byzantine calendar and rules on fasting, prayer, etc and never looked back. The reality is that your living life as an Eastern Catholic will usually cover most, if not all, of the requirements that are placed on Latin rite catholics. For example, we abstain from meat on Friday’s throughout the year, not just during lent and thats just one item.

Once I started living life as a Byzantine Catholic, I never really cared about what the Latin rite rules were on a matter…Only what the Byzantine church said about it.

We applied to have our canonical transfer from the Latin Rite and it finally happened last night! We are officially Byzantine Catholics. Good luck on your journey.
 
This is for any Roman rite Catholics that have a great love for the Eastern Rites. Have you joined an Eastern parish and stopped going to any Roman liturgies? If so do you strictly follow eastern customs, fasting laws, holy days of obligation or do you follow Roman law? How about prayer? Do you pray the Breviary, Rosary etc or have you switched over to eastern type prayer. Do you identify with the Roman rite or the Eastern?

Bruce
I am registered at and attend a Byzantine Catholic Parish, and it has been my primary parish for probably the last two years, and the majority of my time as a Catholic. I use to serve at the altar every weekend, although I have not served too much lately as school has been busy. I was also president of the school’s campus ministry for a year. Sometimes, such as this weekend, I went to a Roman Mass simply for convenience (although I hate doing this because most Roman liturgies are atrocious).

I do not follow the fasting customs strictly. I follow the strict fast during the Great Fast and during the St. Philip’s Fast, but I do not usually follow more than the minimum (abstinence from flesh-meat one Wednesdays and Fridays) during the Apostles’ Fast and Dormition Fast. I abstain from flesh-meat every Friday. I sometimes feel guilty and feel like I should abstain from animal products on Wednesdays and Fridays, but when I did do that, I found myself being extra gluttonous on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday.

I follow the Holy Days of Obligation as I am instructed to at my parish. Usually there is a Divine Liturgy when the Romans have a day of obligation.

I used to pray the Roman breviary, but have not for a while. That was probably recent convert fervor. I have made the Sign of the Cross in the Eastern (proper) fashion since before my conversion - an Orthodox friend of mine taught me how to make it and it wasn’t until an ex-girlfriend tried to correct me that I switched, but only for a while. I prayer Eastern prayers usually. I used to wear a chotki (prayer rope) but it broke - I need a new one. I have an icon corner at my home, although the center and most prominent icon is a Roman Crucifix.

As for which I identify with? In my soul, I don’t know. I was active in a Maronite Mission before it went defunct. I feel more like an omni-ritual Catholic, honestly. I was received into the Roman Church, so I am Roman. But I often feel more Ruthenian than anything else.

The only reason that I would consider a canonical transfer is if I felt called to a religious or clerical vocation. I don’t believe myself so called at the moment, but were the call to come, I really believe it would be as a Ruthenian. I could see myself becoming a Ruthenian deacon eventually.
 
I am registered at and attend a Byzantine Catholic Parish, and it has been my primary parish for probably the last two years, and the majority of my time as a Catholic. I use to serve at the altar every weekend, although I have not served too much lately as school has been busy. I was also president of the school’s campus ministry for a year. Sometimes, such as this weekend, I went to a Roman Mass simply for convenience (although I hate doing this because most Roman liturgies are atrocious).

I do not follow the fasting customs strictly. I follow the strict fast during the Great Fast and during the St. Philip’s Fast, but I do not usually follow more than the minimum (abstinence from flesh-meat one Wednesdays and Fridays) during the Apostles’ Fast and Dormition Fast. I abstain from flesh-meat every Friday. I sometimes feel guilty and feel like I should abstain from animal products on Wednesdays and Fridays, but when I did do that, I found myself being extra gluttonous on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday.

I follow the Holy Days of Obligation as I am instructed to at my parish. Usually there is a Divine Liturgy when the Romans have a day of obligation.

I used to pray the Roman breviary, but have not for a while. That was probably recent convert fervor. I have made the Sign of the Cross in the Eastern (proper) fashion since before my conversion - an Orthodox friend of mine taught me how to make it and it wasn’t until an ex-girlfriend tried to correct me that I switched, but only for a while. I prayer Eastern prayers usually. I used to wear a chotki (prayer rope) but it broke - I need a new one. I have an icon corner at my home, although the center and most prominent icon is a Roman Crucifix.

As for which I identify with? In my soul, I don’t know. I was active in a Maronite Mission before it went defunct. I feel more like an omni-ritual Catholic, honestly. I was received into the Roman Church, so I am Roman. But I often feel more Ruthenian than anything else.

The only reason that I would consider a canonical transfer is if I felt called to a religious or clerical vocation. I don’t believe myself so called at the moment, but were the call to come, I really believe it would be as a Ruthenian. I could see myself becoming a Ruthenian deacon eventually.
Interesting realization, there 🙂 👍
 
But wait, arnt eastern Catholics basically Roman (not Latins) due to them being in communion with Rome? The Church calls the entire Church Roman Catholic sometimes.
If the Church calls the entire Church ‘Roman’ sometimes it should stop it. Pope John Paul II had a great image of two lungs for the church. Picture the word CATHOLIC stuck on your forehead, then think of one lung being Roman and the Other being Eastern. It is sometimes listed as GREEK catholic…not because there is one Greek at Liturgy but because the ‘style’ of the worship is Greek just like the ‘style’ of your worship is Roman… unless, of course you think most Roman catholics are actually Roman. And, of course, they are mostly NOT (if any) Roman…unless they are in Rome. In the parish where I am working now, the sign outside the church says: “Melkite-Greek-Catholic”…and there is not one Greek in the place. But the ‘Roman’ catholics down the street think it is filled with Greeks. Much education is needed. For example we just got news that the Pope just approved the election of the new Bishop of Beirut. Imagine Romans talking about the election of a Bishop? The Romans only elect Popes. Lots of healthy discussion here.
 
Bruce,

I am in formation to become a permanent deacon in the Latin Church.

I love every aspect of the Church and fully agree with Blessed Pope John Paul II in that the East and West are the two lungs of the Church. I enjoy the advanced early theology of the East on Marian themes and my wife has purchased several books which I have enjoyed thoroughly.

We do not have any Churches in our area that would permit me to attend an Eastern Liturgy, though we did have a visiting Byzantine priest give several days of reflections and we had the chance to participate in that beautiful liturgy in the local Church. There are many things that are very appealing about the Eastern approach to spirituality and liturgy.

Before I returned to the Church from Protestantism, I discovered the The Way of a Pilgrim and prayed that for most of a year. So good I even lent it to a friend (and its sequel in one volume).

Recently I became friends with someone involved in the STURP team that studied the Shroud in 1978 and have come to appreciate both Eastern and Western approaches to this holy relic. He created a museum and he asked me to created what has become iSEAM. It was my study of the Shroud that caused me to be open enough to respond to the call to the permanent diaconate.

Melekali
 
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