Penitence in the Western Church as in “100 Hail Marys and 100 Our Fathers,” that sort of thing. The “stereotype,” if you will.
That’s fine if you don’t have time to search for it now, we can come back to it when you do. I fully understand not having the time or desire to search for stuff.
As I understand it, Orthodox who say that ecomomia may be applied to contraception do not see it as an intrinsic evil in the same way that murder is. Those who do allow it in some circumstances do not see it as an intrinsic evil - which isn’t to say it is a good.
I don’t think EO Traditionally accept such distinctions. A sin is a sin is a sin. If these EO do say such things, then they have accepted the Latin distinctions between venial and mortal sin.
Oikonomia as it relates to canonical matters can refer to both a relaxation of the rule or regulation, or a dispensation from the canonical penalty.
ABC may be allowed for the same reasons the Catholic Church may allow NFP. In fact, it seems to me, based on papal encyclicals such as Casti connubii and other patristic evidence, that the use of NFP is itself an exercise of economia on the part of the Catholic Church.
That is also my reading, though it does not seem to be the view of most American Catholics.
There are many patristic sources and papal writings that condemn the frustration of conception as sinful. Of course the intention of both ABC and NFP is to frustrate conception. The problem the Catholic Church has with ABC is not based on the fact that concpetion is frustrated, but that it supposedly violates “natural law.”
I am asking because I have not heard of celibate marriage except perhaps of the Biblical Joseph and Mary. If there is it has to be because of spiritual requirement. It would be good if you can give reference for this type of marriage in Catholicism. Since in your last post you are saying this type of marriage seems to be lost I take it that it must be practiced widely before it was seemed to be lost. So please give reference.
This is over simplifying a bit, is it not?
That sounds rather antinomian.
How so?
I must apologize if Orthodox see it your way as I don’t know much about your belief.
It is the Orthodox practice not only to eat less and abstain from certain foods during fast periods, but to fast from sexual activity during the fasts.
I’ve also heard of celibate marriages in Orthodoxy. My priest calls them “white marriages.” They are only to be undertaken with the blessing of your spiritual father. It’s also not uncommon for married couples to separate to join monasteries with a blessing. Of course in that case both spouses have to agree to the separation.
Thanks for the information. Is there any particular reason for the undertaking of such marriage? Does it has any Biblical or Traditional justification? How common it is not uncommon for the Orthodox who practice this kind of marriage? Is there any figure or percentage of the total population of Orthodox? Sorry if the questions sound quite naive. This is rather new to me.
Well marriages aren’t undertaken as white marriages in the beginning. It’s something that the couple decides to do later with the blessing of a spiritual father. As far as justification is there are a number of saints who lived in celibate marriages and many more who separated from each other to join a monastery. A recent example is St John of Kronstadt who lived in a celibate marriage.
Interesting.
I know we should abstain (apart from food where possible) from something we like during the fasting period but those thing are things that bring us away from God like maybe TV, gossip and our other weaknesses. We are instead to do the things that can bring us closer to God like penance, praying and giving alm.I don’t understand the distinction as they both purpose to frustrate conception. The only difference is the method used.