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While not Baptist, there’s a man named Alex Jones who was once a Pentecostal preacher, and through studying the history of Christianity came to realize the truth in Catholicism, eventually converting and taking half his congregation with him. You can find videos on youtube. Do a search for “how alex jones found the truth in the catholic church”. It’s a 5-part video. He came to our parish a few weeks ago and his story is just amazing.
This just shows how much influence a preacher can have over their congregation. I know how stubborn some protestants can be, but yet somehow he convinced them of the truth. I am happy that this Pastor shared the truth with everyone. It shows his devotion to the word of God and his love for his congregation.
 
Baptist don’t necessarily have a stupid view of history, and if you assume they do you will be offensive, or possibly look very silly indeed.

Many feel that although the early church got off to a good start, things went down hill after that, and the church fell into corruption due to sinful individuals within it.

The individuals who eventually broke off from that group in the Radical Reformation were not starting a “new” religion, from their POV. They were in some sense recovering what had been lost, and purging accumulated junk.

So from that perspective it was really a kind of counter-reformation, and such things have happened many times in the history of the church, even within Catholicism. They don’t see themselves as new, but rather as a continuation of what came before.

You don’t strike me as having enough knowledge of Protestantism to be critical of it. I’m not sure why you seem to be convinced all Protestants are such fools, and so ignorant. It isn’t necessarily the case.
some good points there
 
Keep in mind that how receptive to the Catholic faith a particular Baptist Church or pastor is to accepting anything about Catholism will vary greatly from church to church and individual to individual. I have known some Baptist ministers who were quite willing to acknowledge the Catholic Church as just a different way to worship the same God and others who didn’t see Catholics as even being Christian. You have General Baptists, Southern Baptists, 1st Baptists, 2nd Baptists and so forth, each with their own interpretation of things. Some divisions are more hardline than others. Also Baptist see each individual Church as standing alone and each man as his own “priest”. Most Baptists are good folks who try to live their faith. Unfortunately, in such an environment it is very easy to be influenced by a highly verbose minister speaking his interpretation of the the Bible and of many of the congregation fall in line and take his word as “gospel”. Baptists believe in “Sola Scriptura” or “Bible only” and there can be a tendency to cite isolated scriptures out of context. Catholics believe also in “Tradition” and the teaching direction of the “Magisterium” for guides on the interpretation of their faith. Some Baptista unfortunately have a negative view of Catholics because what they have been taught about Catholics (they worship Mary and statues, they use repetitious prayer, etc) rather than trying to find the correct answers for themselves. It can often be difficult to convince them to look at other sources than what they have been told by their pastors. If you are going to to puruse your relationship and neither of you plan on changing faiths, I think it is important for your girlfrined to at least read some teachings on the Catholic faith other than what she hears at her church to avoid error in knowing what its true teachings are. Good luck.
 
@Rory,

I’ve often wondered about the baptist interpretation of “the words that I speak are spirit”. I’m curious what they do with the first half of that, and what response they might give a Catholic Apologist like me, pointing out a certain word association the Lord makes here.

Douay:

KJV w/Deuterocanonical books

When one looks at the full verse, there is a clear word association going on here, the Spirit is life, and the flesh is of no value. What I am telling you is of the Spirit. What would have been your response, if I were to raise my hand durring your sermon (I’m sure this would be greatly rude, but bear with me here) and say “yeah but two seconds ago the Lord said the Spirit is life, doesn’t that mean that the words he’s speaking are the words of life? There for really important?”
Hi crazzeto,

I would have replied that by His saying that the flesh profits nothing, that He would be confirming that His literal flesh and blood just spoken of, which offended some when understood literally, was to be understood metaphorically. It would be the words that give life, the words, not His flesh and blood that need to be consumed, and as it were, assimilated into our lives by which we become one with Him.

And hi Matt,

I am just peeking in before I have to go to work. I probably won’t get to your private question until tomorrow, but want you to know I haven’t forgotten.

Rory
 
Hi crazzeto,

I would have replied that by His saying that the flesh profits nothing, that He would be confirming that His literal flesh and blood just spoken of, which offended some when understood literally, was to be understood metaphorically. It would be the words that give life, the words, not His flesh and blood that need to be consumed, and as it were, assimilated into our lives by which we become one with Him.

And hi Matt,

I am just peeking in before I have to go to work. I probably won’t get to your private question until tomorrow, but want you to know I haven’t forgotten.

Rory
It’s kind of interesting, it really seems like in order to try and get around that verse the (current) protestant really needs to be missing some part of it. Thanks for sharing the information, God bless!
 
I did not come here to debate the differences between us Baptist and Catholics. So please, lets not go there and I refuse to get into such a debate.

Once back in the 60’s I dated a nice sweet Catholic girl for a few months. I had a good friend that was dating her good friend. She got him to attend classes about the Catholics. Thinking about that I broke off dating this Catholic girl even though I thought a lot of her. Later on I married a young woman that was a Baptist just as I was. That has been over 40 years ago. I’ve never regretted the decision I made years ago.

I try to discourage our members from marrying out of faith and will not perform a wedding where our members marry out of our faith. I know of many other Baptist pastor who feel the same way, but I also know many of our pastors who will marry anyone, anywhere, anytime. Most of the latter say they do so simply because if they don’t marry them someone else will.

Does the Catholic faith try to discourage its members from marrying those of other faiths?
 
Keep in mind that how receptive to the Catholic faith a particular Baptist Church or pastor is to accepting anything about Catholism will vary greatly from church to church and individual to individual. I have known some Baptist ministers who were quite willing to acknowledge the Catholic Church as just a different way to worship the same God and others who didn’t see Catholics as even being Christian. You have General Baptists, Southern Baptists, 1st Baptists, 2nd Baptists and so forth, each with their own interpretation of things. Some divisions are more hardline than others. Also Baptist see each individual Church as standing alone and each man as his own “priest”. Most Baptists are good folks who try to live their faith. Unfortunately, in such an environment it is very easy to be influenced by a highly verbose minister speaking his interpretation of the the Bible and of many of the congregation fall in line and take his word as “gospel”. Baptists believe in “Sola Scriptura” or “Bible only” and there can be a tendency to cite isolated scriptures out of context. Catholics believe also in “Tradition” and the teaching direction of the “Magisterium” for guides on the interpretation of their faith. Some Baptista unfortunately have a negative view of Catholics because what they have been taught about Catholics (they worship Mary and statues, they use repetitious prayer, etc) rather than trying to find the correct answers for themselves. It can often be difficult to convince them to look at other sources than what they have been told by their pastors. If you are going to to puruse your relationship and neither of you plan on changing faiths, I think it is important for your girlfrined to at least read some teachings on the Catholic faith other than what she hears at her church to avoid error in knowing what its true teachings are. Good luck.
I don’t go to her Church much anymore, she comes with me to my Church. Although I may have to go there at least some times to show some respect to her. Last Sunday’s mass the priest spoke on how God doesn’t force heaven on to us and how we can loose our place in heaven and we need to repent. Just like the bible tells us and there is no such thing as once saved always saved. So hopefully little by little these passages are sticking in her mind. I know believing them to the fullest may take some time, but this isn’t a quick process as everyone knows. Only God can open her heart, but I just want to provide that stepping stone and praying that she keeps an open mind. Believe me, I know how much stuff she was probably told about Catholicism, although she claims no one say’s anything. But she isn’t stuck on the Baptist Church, she say’s she wants to go to any Church that follows the bible to a tee. I am glad about this because every time she would go to my Church she would get the interpretations that were much more complete. Instead of a personal interpretation, she get’s quotes and other references from the bible that prove that particular passage. The most difficult part in getting over this is basically the family and pastoral influence that has been in her life for so long as well as having to understand the fact that worship is more ritualistic and always has been since the start of Christianity.
 
I try to discourage our members from marrying out of faith and will not perform a wedding where our members marry out of our faith.
As a Catholic, I think this is excellent. Folks who marry should not be serving different Gods.

Stick to your guns, Pastor!!!
 
Who’s tee?
Oh you got me there Mark! I guess the pastors tee that is the head of the particular church she’s in. I think it’s more of a visual thing for her. You probably know, but at the Baptist Church all people bring bibles to mass. The Pastor then states “everyone pull out their bibles and turn to page so and so”. He will then give one or two references to the passage in the sermon and point to it in the bible. If all you’re life your congregation has a bible beside them, then you will most likely start to believe that other congregations which don’t have a bible at every mass are not preaching from the bible and the pastor might try to deceive you because you can’t see the passage for yourself. It’s more of a distraction tactic making the interpretation appear more like biblical fact then personal interpretation. We did have a short discussion about this, and it was mentioned that the Pastor has never led them in the wrong direction and I agree, because a Pastor wouldn’t intentionally lead his own people in the wrong direction. But I also believe that religion is more than just about making good people that serve the Lord, but about teaching the whole truth to people. That’s just one of the biases they have of Catholics that needs to be taken down and realize that Catholics put all their faith in their Priests and the Priests are there to serve Christ and wouldn’t teach anything different from the bible.
 
I did not come here to debate the differences between us Baptist and Catholics. So please, lets not go there and I refuse to get into such a debate.

Once back in the 60’s I dated a nice sweet Catholic girl for a few months. I had a good friend that was dating her good friend. She got him to attend classes about the Catholics. Thinking about that I broke off dating this Catholic girl even though I thought a lot of her. Later on I married a young woman that was a Baptist just as I was. That has been over 40 years ago. I’ve never regretted the decision I made years ago.

I try to discourage our members from marrying out of faith and will not perform a wedding where our members marry out of our faith. I know of many other Baptist pastor who feel the same way, but I also know many of our pastors who will marry anyone, anywhere, anytime. Most of the latter say they do so simply because if they don’t marry them someone else will.

Does the Catholic faith try to discourage its members from marrying those of other faiths?
I guess the answer to your question is yes and no. This varies with the priest. I would say it is normally discouraged but not prohibited for a non-Catholic to marry a Catholic. My personal opinion is somewhat in line with yours. I would say that it is better to share a common faith whatever that might be. I think whatever faith the couple choose, they should practice their faith. I would say it is better to be a “good Baptist” than a " bad Catholic" or be a “Good Catholic” than a “bad Baptist”. Someone entering a faith and not having a sincere or committed devotion would not be in anyone’s best interest.

When someone is not a Catholic and marries a Catholic, a Mass is typically not said at the wedding as it would be if two Catholics were getting married. In an inter-faith marriage the non-Catholic is asked to agree to raising any children in the Catholic faith (I believe this is still done).

Inter-faith marriages can work, and I have seen some that do succeed. However, I think there are many challenges that present themselves. I think the most difficulty is in regard to children and deciding under what faith they will be raised. I know some families attend both churches, but that requires a significant commitment and cooperation for the parents.

I was not born Catholic. I grew up attending 2 different fundamentalist churches. I was in the process of taking instruction in the Catholic faith when I was married, and later became Catholic. I didn’t jump into this conversion without a great deal of research (most converts are required to take instruction for about a year before being accepted into the church). We have raised all our children in the Catholic faith and so far all those married or commited to be married have chosen Catholics.

There can also be issues with in-laws and the persons own parents and siblings. I was very fortunate in that both my in-laws and parents acceped my decisions.

Hope this helps.
 
I guess the answer to your question is yes and no. This varies with the priest. I would say it is normally discouraged but not prohibited for a non-Catholic to marry a Catholic. My personal opinion is somewhat in line with yours. I would say that it is better to share a common faith whatever that might be. I think whatever faith the couple choose, they should practice their faith. I would say it is better to be a “good Baptist” than a " bad Catholic" or be a “Good Catholic” than a “bad Baptist”. Someone entering a faith and not having a sincere or committed devotion would not be in anyone’s best interest.

When someone is not a Catholic and marries a Catholic, a Mass is typically not said at the wedding as it would be if two Catholics were getting married. In an inter-faith marriage the non-Catholic is asked to agree to raising any children in the Catholic faith (I believe this is still done).

Inter-faith marriages can work, and I have seen some that do succeed. However, I think there are many challenges that present themselves. I think the most difficulty is in regard to children and deciding under what faith they will be raised. I know some families attend both churches, but that requires a significant commitment and cooperation for the parents.

I was not born Catholic. I grew up attending 2 different fundamentalist churches. I was in the process of taking instruction in the Catholic faith when I was married, and later became Catholic. I didn’t jump into this conversion without a great deal of research (most converts are required to take instruction for about a year before being accepted into the church). We have raised all our children in the Catholic faith and so far all those married or commited to be married have chosen Catholics.

There can also be issues with in-laws and the persons own parents and siblings. I was very fortunate in that both my in-laws and parents acceped my decisions.

Hope this helps.
I believe my faith doesn’t discourage this as much as the Baptist or other Protestant faiths do. Because the Pope (John P) himself stated that a marriage between two individuals with different faiths may be very fruitful and would bring the couple to a new relationship or understanding of Christ.
 
That’s just one of the biases they have of Catholics
Here’s the deal though: Bias is taught and learned. The Baptists I know have been sysematically taught lies about the Catholic Church.

Instead of faith theological teaching differences, why don’t you two make comparisons of the moral theology teaching differences? You can sure turn the tables if you need to if she’s whoopin’ up on you.
 
I guess the answer to your question is yes and no. This varies with the priest. I would say it is normally discouraged but not prohibited for a non-Catholic to marry a Catholic. My personal opinion is somewhat in line with yours. I would say that it is better to share a common faith whatever that might be. I think whatever faith the couple choose, they should practice their faith. I would say it is better to be a “good Baptist” than a " bad Catholic" or be a “Good Catholic” than a “bad Baptist”. Someone entering a faith and not having a sincere or committed devotion would not be in anyone’s best interest.

When someone is not a Catholic and marries a Catholic, a Mass is typically not said at the wedding as it would be if two Catholics were getting married. In an inter-faith marriage the non-Catholic is asked to agree to raising any children in the Catholic faith (I believe this is still done).

Inter-faith marriages can work, and I have seen some that do succeed. However, I think there are many challenges that present themselves. I think the most difficulty is in regard to children and deciding under what faith they will be raised. I know some families attend both churches, but that requires a significant commitment and cooperation for the parents.

I was not born Catholic. I grew up attending 2 different fundamentalist churches. I was in the process of taking instruction in the Catholic faith when I was married, and later became Catholic. I didn’t jump into this conversion without a great deal of research (most converts are required to take instruction for about a year before being accepted into the church). We have raised all our children in the Catholic faith and so far all those married or commited to be married have chosen Catholics.

There can also be issues with in-laws and the persons own parents and siblings. I was very fortunate in that both my in-laws and parents acceped my decisions.

Hope this helps.
Thank you for the reply, its appreciated.

Please notice I did say I discourage marrying outside of our faith, I do not telling that person not to marry someone of another faith. I would also go thru the Bible pointing out why I feel this way given the opportunity. I suppose there be some leaders in all faiths that tries to be a dictator to all their members, I know we have some Baptist pastors who act more dictator instead of shepherd, that I dislike. Jesus nor His called 12 never seem to act like dictators, and the invitations always seems to be, freely follow Jesus.

Like you I know people who got married outside of their faith, that has, or at least seem to have great marriages. If people get married outside of their faith and they have a great marriage, that’s great. But still its not the example God’s children ought to follow.

Our Father in heaven is somewhat like our earthly father who set bounds for us, not because he is withholding something good from us, but because he loves us and wants to keep us safe. With God the Father, if we stay within the bounds he has set, we will usually have a lot less troubles. Just as one old song says, “Trust and obey, for there’s no other way, To be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.”

I might add, even though like my friend I did not attend classes to learn about Catholics as my roommate did. I did read every book he brought to our room and it seems the one teaching that class wanted him to read many books. At that time I was in the Air Force, he and I were roommates. Actually I think I was really the only one to read those books cover to cover.

And your right, for many who marry outside of their faith it bring much trouble to the table, all types of family
 
As a Catholic, I think this is excellent. Folks who marry should not be serving different Gods.

Stick to your guns, Pastor!!!
:confused: You do understand there is one God served, don’t you? Catholics don’t own God to themselves. There are many non Catholics serving God’s children in many ways… And to suggest otheiwise is simply untrue. :rolleyes:
 
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