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Thank you. I have been told that before that over time you will understand and accept the doctrine. I am understanding more about the traditions passed down as well as sola scriptura. This issue is one of tradition it seems as I still do not find a clear place in scripture where it is endorsed.
 
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Hello John. The Catholic faith is not based on Sola Scriptura, so most Catholics don’t study the Bible like many Protestants do Catholics don’t rely on the Bible for knowledge unto salvation - they rely on the Church to inform them and the Church teaches the correct interpretation of the scriptures they need to know. Then again, there are plenty of Catholics who know the Bible very well.
I’m a revert. When my conversion was drawing me back to the Church I often sighed, these people don’t even know the stories.

Then one day my wife (Who was raised in a devout Catholic family) said something that revealed a truly genuine generous & compassionate soul & I said to myself, “she knows the Bible so much better than I do.”
 
Protestants make the grave mistake of decdding doctrine from themselves, instead of placing their trust in the supernatural authority of the Church.
I don’t know if that’s true. I think most Protestants, like most Catholics believe their church is right, because it says it is. Maybe it’s because they can understand & agree with the teaching. I don’t know.

They want to say, “It says so in the Bible.”

But we can say the same. So it’s not Sola Scriptura, but their church’s understanding of scripture.

However, I think if we start with, “Jesus taught the Apostles how He wishes to be understood, & the Apostles taught the Bishops how Jesus wants to be understood.” It makes it easier for me to accept & understand Holy Mother Church’s understanding of how Jesus wants to be understood.

In short, they believe their church has supernatural authority just as much as we believe our church has supernatural authority.
 
[quote="Buzzard3 Catholics don’t rely on the Bible for knowledge unto salvation

In the following post you state the Jehovahs Witnesses got you interested in the Bible and from there you became a Christian.

Any idea how confusing that sounds?
 
Sorry. I was trying to cut a long story short. The JWs re-ignited my interest in the Bible, but I didn’t become a JW - I moved on from them and embraced more orthodox Christian doctrines.
 
Thank you. I have been told that before that over time you will understand and accept the doctrine. I am understanding more about the traditions passed down as well as sola scriptura. This issue is one of tradition it seems as I still do not find a clear place in scripture where it is endorsed.
As a Catholic, you don’t have to justify any Catholic doctrine scripturally or intellectually - you accept it purely because the Church teaches it. If you doubt, you will not find peace.

If you trust Christ, you must also trust his Church, because they cannot be separated and the Church is the “fullness” of Christ (Eph 1:22-23).
 
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I don’t know if that’s true. I think most Protestants, like most Catholics believe their church is right, because it says it is. Maybe it’s because they can understand & agree with the teaching. I don’t know
Fair point. But anyone or any organisation (church) that operates outside the CC ultimately interprets the Bible for themselves.
Unlike the more orthodox Protestant churches, the “born again” crowd don’t seem to have any concept of “the Church”, as in an authoritative middle-man between God and man.
 
There is a “born again” crowd in the Catholic Church as well. Charismatic Catholics are born again that is where my wife had conversion. That is really what it is about. When you look at Polycarp, Francis, Augustine, Tertullian, Jerome etc. they had profound conversions, that is what being born again is. Conversion, came to faith, born again it all means the same thing. Revelation of who Jesus is in a profound way.
 
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There is a “born again” crowd in the Catholic Church as well. Charismatic Catholics are born again that is where my wife had conversion. That is really what it is about. When you look at Polycarp, Francis, Augustine, Tertullian, Jerome etc. they had profound conversions, that is what being born again is. Conversion, came to faith, born again it all means the same thing. Revelation of who Jesus is in a profound way.
How much do you know about those guys?

Are you saying your wife has become a hermit?
 
A hermit? I am talking about their conversion and there profound relationship with Jesus
 
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There is a “born again” crowd in the Catholic Church as well. Charismatic Catholics are born again that is where my wife had conversion. That is really what it is about. When you look at Polycarp, Francis, Augustine, Tertullian, Jerome etc. they had profound conversions, that is what being born again is. Conversion, came to faith, born again it all means the same thing. Revelation of who Jesus is in a profound way.
Fair enough, but you don’t have to be Charismatic Catholic to be “born again” and experience a profound conversion.

On the other side of the Charismatic coin, I have a sister and brother who were very enthusiastic Charismatic Catholics - now neither of them is Catholic, or even Christian.

Furthermore, I have met Charismatic Catholics who claim to have been “baptised by the Holy Spirit” … meaning other Catholics have not … a sort of elitist attitude that struck me as bit cultist.
And as far as I can tell, the Catholic Charismatic movement is not Catholic in origin - it appears to be an exact imitation of Pentecostal Protestantsm. I suspect the Church tolerates it only because she doesn’t want any of the faithful leaving to join some “born again” sect.
 
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don’t know if that’s true. I think most Protestants, like most Catholics believe their church is right, because it says it is. Maybe it’s because they can understand & agree with the teaching. I don’t know.
In my conversations with Protestants, I’ve asked them how they know the pastor is teaching truth. I was expecting them to say he’s guided by the HS. But no, they are to get their bibles and check for themselves. So the believe the individual knows the truth
They want to say, “It says so in the Bible.”

But we can say the same. So it’s not Sola Scriptura, but their church’s understanding of scripture
I think its more their understanding…there’s lots of individualism.
 
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A hermit? I am talking about their conversion and there profound relationship with Jesus
Just wondering what you meant by profound. Those guys gave up everything, truly everything (poverty, chastity, obedience).
 
I agree you don’t have to be Charismatic to experience the fullness of Christ. I was just drawing the comparison. Being a Charismatic guarantees nothing it is our faith that matters and our relationship with Jesus. Mark 12:29-31sums up what our walk with God is about. Your brother and sister had to make choices like we all do. I am sorry that they had become disillusioned. Let us hope that the foundation that was laid in them will lead them back to the Christ. Many of us go astray but God calls us back through his infinite love and grace. Look how long it has taken me to even start questioning so many things I believed. There is always hope.
 
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We are not in disagreement that is why I am in awe of them. They lived in heaven and were only constrained by there physical body. Nothing in this world mattered to them
 
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Being a Charismatic guarantees nothing it is our faith that matters and our relationship with Jesus.
The “relationship”" that matters is our love for God. As Paul says. faith is useless without love (1Cor 13:2) That’s what salvation s all about - God will save those who love him.
 
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